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ok all changed again completly different, my work have given the nod for a cycle to work scheme, trouble is they only offer halfords vouchers..
so went down there today and looked around and come up with a Cboardmen Team Carbon which is rrp at £999 but with cycle to work scheme comes down to around the £500ish mark total cost..
due to the lack of cheap 2nd hand bikes i think i'll go down this route, then think about upgrading parts along the way.. (i've also been told that there are a form of mudguards which will fit)..
so from a mtb background now i'm up for some road shoes and pedals n cleats.. any ideas on which ? i have been told "look" do a decent set and there replacement cleats are cheaper than shimano's couter part.. ??..