• I've read most of the create/unipack thread but tbh I still wasn't sure afterwards.

    Some who had owned it said it was decent for its price tag. Others who hadn't owned it said it was rubbish and would injure the rider.

    The problem is no one really said what was wrong with it.

    Looking at the 2 bikes I would go for the SE Draft Lite but its £100 more expensive. and I would be really annoyed it I spent £100 extra and my brother didn't ride it. He's not an enthusiast, will probably use it 2 or 3 times a week max and probably won't look after it very well.

    So.. anything mechanically just really wrong with the Create or Draft?

    http://www.winstanleysbikes.co.uk/product/26435/SE_Racing_Draft_Lite_SingleSpeed_Bike_2010

    http://www.winstanleysbikes.co.uk/product/27475/Create_SingleSpeed_Track_Bike_2009

    first, i read through all of it here and saw you moved away from a potentially big mistake already, but i want to put this down for other lurkers to have it connected to your decision finding process in this thread as well.

    i got me one of those unipack/create fully conscious it'll be a bit on the cheap side and to tell the truth, it was much, much worse!
    here is whot it takes to get it rideable savely, here is whot came out of it a bit later and let me point out, the last bit, being the frame, broke under my arse due to the wrong size seatpost being installed in the 'factory'.

    sure i rode the shit out of it, sure i liked my bike, one get's attached to things you spend so much time thinking about fixing it up and all, but i'd never ever recommend one to a beginner. i'd hesitate to recommend it to a pro with a full set of tools as they are that unsave.

    bikes look similar on the outside, but all the money goes into better steel, lighter tubing, quality steel/machined bearings and alloy parts, properly cut threads that hold bolts for critical components as wheels, handlebars and forks, a set of sprockets that are round and parts, that are produced to standards, so that in case of wear and tear are replaceable without replacing half the bike to fit a single standard part on it.

    follow the edvices on here, they are good beginner's bikes and give KHS bikes a look as well.

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