Entry Level bike, Create Track 2009 or SE Draft Lite 2010

Just get a front brake. Lever and brake should cost no more than £25 second hand? More like £35/40 new.

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jenjen, the choice of component are much more reliable than the unipack.

all you need to do is add brake, as that may cost a bit more than you'd think.

cost more because if your brother don't want to ride it fixed, you'd need two set of brakes, if he does, just the one will do.

Thanks. I've been looking at the fuji track aswel. A lot of the reviews are sound.

The cheapest I found is for £329.95

http://www.ebarg.co.uk/fuji-classic-track-pearlized-white-2010-single-speed-bike.html?___store=default

I know this bike is better but Why? what aspect of it is better? please give me a quick rundown so I could learn something. Thanks

Also, they don't come with brakes. How much would this normally set me back plus can you recommend some? thanks.

it is better because the compenents, whislt basic are better quality, the frame is better quality and the quality control that fuji uses is better quality.

As far as brakes go, people seem to favour a goldfinger lever with a basic shimano brake, a 105 is a pretty good bet.

i am talking from experience of the 2007 create/unipak bike not 2010 but what was wrong was:
front brake holes not drilled straight.
left crank arm is very weak and twists about BB (problem not isolated to my bike)
chain ring bolts love getting loose and lost (don't even know how this happens)
rear wheel nuts don't have enough grip to hold the wheel straight even if you put the weight of the world into tightning them.
the failure that meant i haven't ridden that bike since was when my chain snapped because it was a piece of shit and it was flexing because of the loose chain ring bolts.
i ended up with my stem and testicles, momentarily passed out and miraculously stayed on my bike.
i am sure there is something i have forgotten that went wrong as well as silly little things like the crank nut covers falling out too easily

in short i would only buy this bike for someone who likes eating road

You can get a used charge plug for about £250, usually in good nick and sometimes with a few upgraded components, not that the original spec is bad in any way.

Whatever you do don't buy the create. Pretty much anything else is vastly superior.

Thanks for the responses. So a definite No No for the Create.

SE Draft Lite £265.50
SE Draft £260
Fuji Track £329.95 + £50 for brakes

**Does anyone know the real difference, pros/cons between the Draft and Draft Lite? Apart from the handle bars. WHich has better components? Does the draft have a flip flop hub?
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Thanks for the responses. So a definite No No for the Create.

SE Draft Lite £265.50
SE Draft £260
Fuji Track £329.95 + £50 for brakes

Does anyone know the real difference, pros/cons between the Draft and Draft Lite? Apart from the handle bars. WHich has better components? Does the draft have a flip flop hub?

http://www.evanscycles.com/products-comparison?products=ec020551%7Cec018091

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bikes like this are always popping up, Fixado also has a bike for around the same money (I'm not sure if it's sold yet). But if you want an OTP from the above selection then the Fuji would be my bet, they hold there value pretty well from what i see, and if you could get it on a ride to work scheme its around 207quid i think.

I might be able to get this on the Ride2work scheme. If so that'll be perfect

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Also.. for under £450 which one would you guys say is best

**http://www.evanscycles.com/categories/complete-bikes/single-speed-bikes/single-speed-road-bikes?sort=asc&price_from=&price_to=&brand=&per_page=20

Thanks guys

lol, he's 25 not 15

Trust me, no matter what age I was, I'd rather have HMV vouchers than either of those two efforts

I might be able to get this on the Ride2work scheme. If so that'll be perfect

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Also.. for under £450 which one would you guys say is best

**http://www.evanscycles.com/categories/complete-bikes/single-speed-bikes/single-speed-road-bikes?sort=asc&price_from=&price_to=&brand=&per_page=20

Thanks guys

Kona Paddy wagon is a sold all-rounder. Fuji is a track bike, not sure if you want to ride a track bike to work every day, I find the ride harsh.

If you want a cheap bike go to auction if you can. Lots to choose from but mostly mountain bikes.

I'd strongly suggest a "wanted" in the classified and see what people have got hanging around. OTP's are good (I have an old plug), but you can get some great deals from people on here if you arn't in a rush.

I'd strongly suggest a "wanted" in the classified and see what people have got hanging around. OTP's are good (I have an old plug), but you can get some great deals from people on here if you arn't in a rush.

I'm pretty sure (95% sure) I'll be able to get this on a Ride 2 Work scheme so looking for OTP now. :)

this site has reviews, dont know if it's any good.
http://www.ridefixedgear.com/

Finally going to go for the Globe Roll 2

Frame:Reynolds 520 Cr-Mo frame TT/ST/DT, custom cast track dropouts, brake drilling
Fork:Globe custom lugged cr-mo threaded steerer fork with integrated drop outs
Chainset:Sugino RD2 Messenger, single speed
Chainrings:42 tooth Alloy chainring
Bottom Bracket:Cartridge bearing, square spindle with crank stop right side and capless bolts
Cassette:BMX freewheel, 17 tooth
Chain:1 Speed chain
Pedals:Platform pedal with two-piece cage, single strap toe cage
Front Brake:Calliper brake with cartridge pads, cold-forged arms
Rear Brake:Calliper brake with cartridge pads, cold-forged arms
Brake Levers:Secondary brake levers, 31.8mm clamp, with inner cable compatibility
Handlebars:Globe Roll integrated steam/handlebar combo, 1 inch Threaded quill, 450mm wide
Stem:Globe Roll integrated steam/handlebar combo, 1 inch Threaded quill type
Headset:1 inch threaded, sealed loose ball bearings
Grips:Globe Roll with alloy end plug
Rims:700c deep V, 42mm tall, 36 hole
Front Hub:Globe Roll, sealed bearing, high flanged fixed/freewheel (flip-flop), hex bolt with custom forged spacers, silicon "Globe" band, 36 hole
Rear Hub:Globe Roll, sealed bearing, high flanged fixed/freewheel (flip-flop), hex bolt with custom machined spacers, silicon "Globe" band, 36 hole
Spokes:2mm (14g) stainless
Front Tyre:Specialized Mondo Sport 700x23c, 60TPI, wire bead with Flak Jacket protection
Rear Tyre:Specialized Mondo Sport 700x23c, 60TPI, wire bead with Flak Jacket protection
Tubes:Presta valve
Saddle:Globe Roll 1 piece injection moulded design
Seatpost:Alloy, 2-bolt forged head, 12.5mm offset, 27.2mm
Seat Binder:Globe forged alloy extra slim clamp
Weight:Weight for Medium Version - 23lb 6oz / 10.6kg

Or you could just go for the langster.

seriously just get your brother to go to Evans, test ride any of the OTP singlespeed and let him decided which to get?

So you started asking about bikes for around £250 for a brother who you weren't sure would use it much and have ended up going for a bike with an RRP of £599 ?

£599 brings in a whole lot of other bike considerations, especially second hand!

it just goes to show that when people start these kind of threads, they end up ignoring 90% of the advice and making up their own mind anyway. It happens nearly every time.

Anyone who could read the unipak thread and not be clear they are utte shite deserves to buy one and feel the eternal shame as you keep returning your brothers bike to get each and every component replaced.

Or you could just go for the langster.

seriously just get your brother to go to Evans, test ride any of the OTP singlespeed and let him decided which to get?

Will test ride but would want a 1st choice to go with

The Langster was one of my choices but it doesn't have a flip flop hub. I checked Evans and specs on their website. Am I correct?

So you started asking about bikes for around £250 for a brother who you weren't sure would use it much and have ended up going for a bike with an RRP of £599 ?

£599 brings in a whole lot of other bike considerations, especially second hand!

£599 because I have decided to go through the Ride2work scheme which I didn't know I could before. 50% off which means what I pay is £250