Pake frames?

thanks. I checked the OTP list but problem is, all I need basically is a new frame, I want to keep my old parts such as crankset and saddle and wheelset and whatnot, but in the OTP list, the bikes are all pre-built obviously. but youre right, there really are more thank just the mercier and the pake - IRO, leader and KHS are definately alternatives, too... gotta do some searchin'!

IRO makes a frame called the Angus. It's a good bit better than all the bikes mentioned thus far (people are refering the IRO Mark V when they say "IRO"). Reynolds 631 tubing. 1" threaded headset. A nice frame! Look into it.

Also, just saw that IRO makes the Mark V in a "pro" version which is Reynolds 631 tubing. This would be a good choice if you wanted a 1 1/8 threadless headset.

There are also some differences between these two bikes regarding whether you want to run rear brakes.

both of these are nice bikes and you're getting a lot for the the money.