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thanks. I checked the OTP list but problem is, all I need basically is a new frame, I want to keep my old parts such as crankset and saddle and wheelset and whatnot, but in the OTP list, the bikes are all pre-built obviously. but youre right, there really are more thank just the mercier and the pake - IRO, leader and KHS are definately alternatives, too... gotta do some searchin'!