General Election 2010

I say to you (I learnt that off the politicians) - the suggestion that given a big enough majority that extreme superstition like this might 'show itself' (it's not entirely clear what Horatio means here) - is silly - and if this is put forward as a partisan issue New Labour is as steeped in this kind of cloying shit as any party.

I just got back from the pub, but....

Are you disagreeing with my argument or my example?

I used an example to demonstrate what conservative values are, and how, although they may not be policy issues, they are the things which a conservative is likely to believe (that is, these are things which the people who may be running the country, believe). You argued many New Labour members have similar views. I don't disagree. New Labour, however, is not a conservative party. Their members do not join New Labour because they are self-described "Conservatives." Why they join, or what the party is, is not the point of discussion. This issue was based around one person asking why there is a base level of distrust towards the Conservative party. My argument was that this is because they are a conservative party.

From this, I believe, you argue this is an invalid point because many people in other parties also believe in the same thing.

If this *is *what you're arguing, then "meh." You can believe this. I may even agree with you. My point is there is a level of distrust towards the Conservative party because they are the party of conservatism.