Again, a labour member (or number of labour members) who has a conservative edge to them does neither proves that Labour is just as bad as the Conservatives, nor that the Conservative party is not conservative. It just shows Labour is fucked.
It's not entirely clear what you are saying here, at least to me (and I am currently sober).
I am not saying that a few New Labour members have a 'conservative edge'. I am saying New Labour are no less entangled with religion that the Conservatives, they have devoutly religious members, MPs, cabinet members, going all the way up to the longest serving PM in Labour history, a hungry promotion of sectarian schooling . . . etc (I am starting to sound like a broken record).
"It just shows Labour is fucked."
Again, not entirely sure what you are saying here, I suspect it's a bit of a 'No True Scotsman' argument. Things are just what they are, New Labour is New Labour, if they put great efforts into faith schools that is then something that defines them, you cannot hold them up against an idealised version of themselves and point out how much they might have deviated, the idealised version simply does not exist.
This is the implied 'secrecy' I mentioned.
It's not entirely clear what you are saying here, at least to me (and I am currently sober).
I am not saying that a few New Labour members have a 'conservative edge'. I am saying New Labour are no less entangled with religion that the Conservatives, they have devoutly religious members, MPs, cabinet members, going all the way up to the longest serving PM in Labour history, a hungry promotion of sectarian schooling . . . etc (I am starting to sound like a broken record).
"It just shows Labour is fucked."
Again, not entirely sure what you are saying here, I suspect it's a bit of a 'No True Scotsman' argument. Things are just what they are, New Labour is New Labour, if they put great efforts into faith schools that is then something that defines them, you cannot hold them up against an idealised version of themselves and point out how much they might have deviated, the idealised version simply does not exist.
Hope that makes sense !!?