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• #477
Well, he did win the Second World War.
and had splendid facial hair
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• #478
"Under capitalism, man exploits man. Under communism, the reverse is true."
That's a very interesting quote, who's is it?
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• #479
I think it was Teenslain
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• #480
definitely, he says it a lot.
gets a bit boring after a while
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• #481
^Two beards, one vote
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• #482
**Nick Clegg goes public on coalition – and looks to the Conservatives**
http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2010/apr/25/nick-clegg-coalition-conservatives
ffs
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• #483
vote lib dem - get dave the raver.
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• #484
I cant see why they'd choose Tory. They have so many conflicting policies. The liberals believe in multi-party governing, but the Tories don't. Their economic policies are just incompatible.
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• #485
i guess most of the floating voters are labour voters? so this may persuade them not to vote lib dem and vote labour again? looks in vain for silver lining
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• #486
I don't get it, the tory hardcore is larger then labour's, labour voters are more likely to flirt with other parties.
The liberals say this isn't an indicator of who will form a coalition, rather that the Clegg is just making a point about voter reform, i.e. that Labour shouldn't have the first say in forming a coalition if they come 3rd in the vote. In which case he's shot himself in the foot, as this will disway a lot of voters I think.
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• #487
I cant see why they'd choose Tory. They have so many conflicting policies. The liberals believe in multi-party governing, but the Tories don't. Their economic policies are just incompatible.
Perhaps they are looking to emulate the German example (decades of CDU-FDP coalitions)?
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• #488
I don't think Clegg has actually said he's looking for a coalition with Cons.. His point seems to be that Labour could end up with the smallest number of votes out of the three main parties but the most seats and thus are traditionally expected to try to form a government.
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• #489
/\ ...surely you don't mean he's been mis-aligned, misquoted or just plain taken out of context?!
Gosh, these meeja types can be SO misleading.
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• #490
I don't think Clegg has actually said he's looking for a coalition with Cons.. His point seems to be that Labour could end up with the smallest number of votes out of the three main parties but the most seats and thus are traditionally expected to try to form a government.
I agree, but a labour coming 3rd place is a real possibility. And he also avoided previous question about what consitututes a mandate, votes or seats, in a hung parliament. In this interview he was very clear. Labour coming 3rd would mean he would not consider it democratic to seek a coalision with them
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• #491
This election I'll be out with the Space Hijackers campaigning for people to spoil their ballots http://www.spacehijackers.org
WHY SPOIL YOUR BALLOT?
In our 'democratic' system we're given the choice to vote once every four years, to place our bets on a team for the next 48 months. To chose between red and blue (perhaps even a little yellow). But let's not be fooled by the colour of their ties, we know they're all the same. Whoever you vote for, the government always gets in. Where’s our ‘none of the above’ option?If voting actually changed anything they would ban it. Did you get to vote on the Iraq war? Did you get to vote about regulations on banking? Did you get to vote on MP's expenses? Is this a democracy or a bad joke?
Why play by the rules in this farce of an election?
Every spoilt ballot gets counted and shown to the candidates in that constituency, so why not reject the lot of them and tell them what you think with your ballot paper?
GET INFORMED:
Does your vote really count? With our first past the post system, unless you vote for the winning horse in your area, your vote is simply discarded with the rubbish. In 'safe' seats your vote is practically worthless. In Hackney South, for example, your vote is worth 0.039 of a real one and that's certainly not the worst example in London.Find out who's standing in your community. Do any of the candidates actually care about the issues you do? If not, why vote for any of them? Don't go for the best of a bad bunch.
TAKE CONTROL:
Don't just sit there whining! This is about active rejection, not passive reflection.
Get yourself to the voting booth and get spoiling. In a bogus system, it's the only authentic choice.
Spoiling your ballot is not illegal, spoiling you ballot is your only chance to have your real say in this election.REJECT THIS FARCE OF CHOICE
Party Politics is a self protecting machine. Even by spoiling your ballot and rejecting them all, they will not just go away. Take your politics to your community, get organised, get talking, get active. Why should we only be given a voice once every four years? Get vocal and give 'em hell. The government get scared stiff when the population get self-organised.SPOIL YOUR BALLOT BATTLE BUS!
Mayday 2010
Join us this Mayday on the Space Hijackers anti-election battle bus. We've all seen George Galloway and the other cronies charging around in open top buses trying to persuade people to vote for them, but we all know the whole thing is a scam. Join us in our own open top bus, flying around London giving out an alternate message - SPOIL YOUR BALLOT, REJECT THE LOT OF EM!
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• #492
yeah, spoil your ballot, let a minority extremist party in! Fuck yeah!
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• #493
Why note advocate voting Lib Dem to ensure the electoral system is changed so that in the future your vote will actually count?
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• #494
come on, didn't you read?
If voting actually changed anything they would ban it.
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• #495
I got bored after a couple of sentences and thought it must be nice to be that naive still.
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• #496
Apostrophe fail on that poster Bristly.
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• #497
They don't follow rules you fool! They are rebelling!
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• #498
By driving an open top bus around London! Way to go Che.
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• #499
yeah, spoil your ballot, let a minority extremist party in! Fuck yeah!
That won't happen.
Why note advocate voting Lib Dem to ensure the electoral system is changed so that in the future your vote will actually count?
Won't work.
Sometimes idealists need to be realists.
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• #500
The way I see it. These are the choices:
Vote for a candidate who won't get in. Your vote was wasted/not counted (in a meaningful manner - you had no impact of the governing of the country).
Vote for a candidate who does get elected. Chances are that one vote didn't matter. And if it did, I can guarantee you there would be a re-run.
Don't vote. You're one more statistic "demonstrating" voter apathy. The system as it is is not questioned, but the actions of citizens are. Result? "Rock the vote!" style ads. Hopefully with Bono.
Spoil your ballot. You've done your civic duty. You've expressed your frustration with the current FPTP system. You are a statistic, but one that, en masse, will demonstrate a popular frustration that, maybe will result in proper electoral reform.
If it's a minority government, and the Lib Dems offer their support on condition of electoral reform/referendum on electoral reform, awesome! My vote isn't going to make this a reality though. My vote *will *look like tacit support for the current system, however.
Well, he did win the Second World War.