I just ordered some Carradice Super Cs. I was looking at the Ortliebs for a while, and was leaning in that direction, until I realized there was not really anything about them that sold them to me. They just seemed like the bags one would buy if one were buying a new set of panniers (I was helped to this realization by talking to Tommy le brick last night). I'm not convinced by the benefit of complete waterproofness (when I toured in the past, I used some mid-range panniers from MEC, and just put everything in individual zip lock bags to keep stuff dry. Worked fine, and kept everything nicely organized - would have ordered another set from them and had them shipped over if the attachment system wasn't so lame), and Ortliebs look awkward when full (bulging plastic sacks).
I just ordered some Carradice Super Cs. I was looking at the Ortliebs for a while, and was leaning in that direction, until I realized there was not really anything about them that sold them to me. They just seemed like the bags one would buy if one were buying a new set of panniers (I was helped to this realization by talking to Tommy le brick last night). I'm not convinced by the benefit of complete waterproofness (when I toured in the past, I used some mid-range panniers from MEC, and just put everything in individual zip lock bags to keep stuff dry. Worked fine, and kept everything nicely organized - would have ordered another set from them and had them shipped over if the attachment system wasn't so lame), and Ortliebs look awkward when full (bulging plastic sacks).
Hopefully I don't eat my words.