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@cornelius_blackfoot
coppi, wish I could, they confuse me as well.
Was in this shop in tokyo, ishikawa cycles, even though the shop was no where near ishikawa. Full of old parts, and gears, and rims, you and skully would have loved it. The frames were upstairs, really long head tubes, thought they would have been suitable for Seb, but my japanese wasn't good enough to ask what they were for. So I just took the photograph so I could make sure I wasn't imagining it.