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  • he would however agree that large parts of its more advanced research were paid for by multinationals, and subsequently that money did have an affect on the research that was carried out.

    *I am sure you know that Chomsky has often pointed out that when he started at MIT the lab he worked in was funded largely by the Pentagon and that MIT as a whole was funded by industry and yet it was one of the centres of organiased resistance to the Vietnam war and there was never any effort made by MIT to comrpomise him or his work - make of that what you will, it's not my story, it is Chomsky's. The point I was making was that he would not be uncritical of Universities but nor, I think, would he go along with your characterisation of them in your previous post; but I am reluctant to try and speak on behalf of anyone, let alone the an outstanding intellectual.
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    **He would also agree that...Whatever, you would rather pick it to pieces and call me an idiot than admit that any of it had any relevence to anything.
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    *Except I did not call you an idiot did I? I said one of your contributions was gauche; if you translate that as idiot then you have reached the point where you are actually working hard to insult yourself.


    • **facts and figures aside...you want a link that says categorically that 'they' are fucking you over by what percentage?

    You want sources that you are living in a media steered society thats obsessed with consumerism at the detriment of all life. **

    This is exactly the problem; people ask you for links about specific claims you have made and you come back with this scornful tone about generalisations and a very patronising assumption that anyone who questions you in any way is blind to the 'real' situation or to the kind of society in which we live and that they must be less well read than you or only obtain their information from mainstream sources. It makes it impossible not only to have a reasoned argument with you but even to have a discussion and people like myself, who would broadly be sympathetic to your view of the world, are dismissed by you in a way which is utterly self defeating.

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