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@ruthy
garr, that's a beaut....
thanks for the info, the globe mixte 1 is kind of the opposite of what i want though....
i looked into the fuji track 43cm, also there's a pake frame which measures up to around 46cm but not sure if it fits 650cc wheels?
OTP are actually pretty hard to find fit wise, i've tried the specialized langster XS (too long), all of the other small frames have too tall a standover height, if i wanted to try out the kinesis decade convert/giant chixie/bowery/fuji track i'd have to order it in and pay for it without actually seeing it first :(