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• #452
Unfortunately the Flickr link above appears not to work but the group is
'Unusual British Bicycle Frame/Fork Designs'.
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• #453
Thanks Viscount, I will try the Flickr route once I have worked out how to do it. I can't understand the bike would have had the CB decals in 1962, if it wasn't one. My suspicions are that it was a CB customer specified frame to include the Sun deseign feature. BUT surely it would then have had a frame number on the BB shell wouldn't it ?
Regards All
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• #454
Hi Viscount,
I have posted to Flickr and received some info from grubb1937 that helps. (see below) Still looking for a definitive answer. If you want to send me a PM please feel free.
Regards
DD"Ref. your frame. Sun frames had a frame number prefixed with letters on the left hand rear dropout. If it is a Claud then it should have a frame number on the underside of the bottom bracket shell. It may have been painted by Claud Butler/Holdsworth at a time and badged as one their machines. It used to happen a lot when frames were left in to the local bike shop for re-enamelling. Rather than put no transfer on the frame the shop or dealer used theirs.
Seat stay caps indicate this is a post war frame. However the lugs are heavy and are like pre-war Brampton or Chater Lea which have been cut and filed. Fork crown is similar to examples I have on a late 1930s lightweight and a couple of 1940s bikes. It maybe the builder bought a supply and just used up his stock regardless of fashion moving on. However fashion doesn't always indicate a well built frame. It is unusual for a builder not to number a frame unless he was building only for local club cyclists and his production numbers were very small. Would be interested to know who built your frame."
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• #455
I had a feeling that kind of lugwork would tell us something, I have something rather similarly produced (but not fancy cut), and don't know who made it.
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• #456
DDOW. There you go!
Good advice from Grubb who knows a lot more than I do!
All I know about your frame is that is not, no way, a CB. Despite the badges/decals.
BUT it is still an interesting frame and quite unusual because of the seat stay struts.My advice is be patient, persevere with your research and take sensible advice. You may get some that isn't, however well meant.
I've been researching an unusual, classy, pre-war lightweight for more than a year and I still don't know what it is. (Hey! I can add pics!)
This one has head-clip, twin plate fork crown, feathered lugs, very steep, 78 head, 72 seat-tube angles, Cyclo Universal ends, Russ pattern forks, SN on drive side rear ends and steerer.
And still a mystery...
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• #457
Not meaning to hijack the OPs thread!! But it illustrates a point and I'll start a new thread for this one, now that I know that I can.
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• #458
I've just been told that my subscription has been 'removed'.
I'm not interested in this shit.
Sorry but \I'm no jumping through any more hoops. For any website.
I'm not trying to sell anything, just help others.
If the software can't cope I go elsewhere.
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• #459
I can't say that Viscount has been anything but helpful. How were the rules flouted, in case I inadvertantly go down the same route. I have been grateful for all the comments on this posting
Regards to all and any further info will be gratefully accepted
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• #460
I had the opportunity to pick up a bike for free today, looks to be 1970s or 80s.
Possibly had a respray, brazed, lugged frame with what looks to be a huret derailleur. Unfortunately I didn't get the serial number... Any idea if this is worth taking?Cheers
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• #461
Its free, yes.
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• #462
My unusual frame has no apparent frame number, but was decalled a Claud Butler in 1962 when I bought it in N London (aged 15). Now there is some doubt about it being a CB at all.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/47363504@N03/I have just taken the forks out and found a number on the steerer tube which is (low down) 19491, and half way up is stamped W82 (both orientated longditudinally)
Does anyone have any info that might help track down the make of this frame, ? a CB special order or perhaps not a CB at all. I can't find anything that helps online.
I assume the number might mean it is a late 40's or 50's frame.
This is becoming a little obsessional, so any help would be gratefully received,
Thank in advance
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• #463
23-18 cromo .......basic raleigh or some such make ! stamped parts.....nice for fixed conversion !
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• #464
Thanks, I think it's an entry-level viking, quite heavy, but it will do the job until I swap the frame out.
Sanded down one of the worst resprays in history, the forks came out quite nicely. Plate derailleur is a bitch to remove but it should be a laugh once I get it done...
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• #465
it's a beater. If you can get it rolling smoothly without gears and get the posture comfortable, you'll have made the most of it. i have a few bikes like that laying around for friends.
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• #466
I have a claud butler, was pretty surprised to find a decal saying it was made of columbus tubing... can anyone tell me if this would be correct?
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• #467
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• #468
This is an old frame my dad has, purchased secondhand about 20 years ago.
All I know is that is suspected to be Italian called Fittal or Vittal
Any suggestions?
I love the bottom bracket shell detail.
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• #469
What are the components as that may help working out if it is a quality frame or a cheap frame.
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• #470
You should read something engraved at the back drops that it will show more about the origin.
(gippiemme, columbus, campagnolo? )
Usually at the fork drops you should read the maker of the tube set.
The lugs look like columbus, the BB shell and fork too.
The bridge at the chain stays looks good leaving the rear brake bridge the only part
of your bike that you could say "not expensive"...
The stem looks like a cinelli, and the parts campagnolo.
(with the minimum usage)
I think that your dad has a good taste and you are lucky enough to enjoy it!
(please don't rush the next time that you gonna take some photos)give more (steady) pictures
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• #471
Well Johnny boy, that look like a decent road bike, clean it up, tweak it, and ride it.
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• #472
Well Johnny boy, that look like a decent road bike, clean it up, tweak it, and ride it.
And please don't convert it!
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• #473
I think it may be a Moser...
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• #474
This is what I know:
derailleurs:
CAMPAGNOLO
NUOVO RECORDCassette:
SAKAECrank:
SR APEXShifters
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• #475
Any chance of a pic that shows the entire bike? Might help with your name finding quest.
Skully, I never thought anything like that for a second!
I'm just sat here right now doing other stuff, and dipping in here in between....
DDOW the pic of the bike you linked to on Flickr is owned by a friend of mine, and I'd like to send you a PM, but apparently I can't just yet because I'm still in the nursery on here: ) But meanwhile I'd suggest you add a couple of pics of your bike to the group on Flickr:
http://www.flickr.com/groups/984579@N24/pool/
...and just ask the pertinent Q when you do.
If they don't know I'd be amazed.
One of mine is in the group, a Hellenic framed Pollard lightweight, and my Flickr moniker is bicyclz if you want to look at some others. (Bates, Holdsworth, Thanet etc.)