Comments on rules / refs I sent to NA Hardcourt

I play recipriocity rule, i let the player i am against set the bar height and match him
Bingo!

means i am going to play like a cunt against you Em x

You need to be able to catch me first bitch. x

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Dirty Girls.

best kind

Agreeing to disagree is for weaklings.

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I want to play fair. It's not always easy but I am prepared to look at my play and reassess what I do. And I will happily discuss all of my faults with all of you so I can be at my best.

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first time i met todd, he went on my list.
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:)

You was gonna ask me out?

We could've gone to Garfunkels ;)

i had you down as an aberdeen steak house kind of guy.

So, to bring this up again.

This weekend in Geneva, they had a small tourney on Saturday, and a Bench Minors-esque tourney on Sunday.

In Both Tournies, there were NO referees at all, and responsibility of actions was with the players. I have to say, apart from the first game on saturday, where the old dude on Sparton was being a dick, all the games were really clean and respectful.

You may doubt this could work, but I think it was a really good idea to try it at a small tourney, there were plenty of fairly new players there, who you would expect to be over physical to make up for their lack of skills. And I can safely say, the games were some of the best I've played or watched. Fair play ruled the day, and everyone was really chilled out.

Just to add to that.

There was someone keeping score and timing the games, but the only time any of them interacted with the players was the 'sparton incident', Manu jumped in, told him to chill out, and the game carried on, and was fine.

Yeah, but in the long-term that's not really going to cut it when you've got some wound-up winning-wannabe (ie: me) playing their heart out, going hells to bells for glory?

If things get too fast/aggressive, someone with authority needs to take control of the situation... I don't imagine the players or spectators being able to take control of anything other than shouting abuse, etc. However, in a tourney where everyone's looking out for each other, I agree that a ref isn't always necessary (but I'd still rather have one).

So, to bring this up again.

This weekend in Geneva, they had a small tourney on Saturday, and a Bench Minors-esque tourney on Sunday.

In Both Tournies, there were NO referees at all, and responsibility of actions was with the players. I have to say, apart from the first game on saturday, where the old dude on Sparton was being a dick, all the games were really clean and respectful.

You may doubt this could work, but I think it was a really good idea to try it at a small tourney, there were plenty of fairly new players there, who you would expect to be over physical to make up for their lack of skills. And I can safely say, the games were some of the best I've played or watched. Fair play ruled the day, and everyone was really chilled out.

This is what I'd hoped the EAST tourney would be like. Minimal input from the ref, just keeping score and calling out the time.

Surely if you'd hoped that EAST would be like that, you would have told the players before the games that there was no referee.

And to point out, I am not saying there should be no referees, I'm saying that my previous point about players having more respect for one another and taking responsibility for their actions is what is really important. At present people are playing as if it's a game based around seeing what you can get away with or without the referee seeing what you've done wrong. And if the player gets caught out, they then carry on bitching with the referee, instead of getting back on with the game or accepting the penalty.
I'm not saying everyone does this, I think some people do.

Geneva were just trying something new. It's clear that double tap out is not a proper penalty for players who are 'being a dick'. So having a ref so far seems to do more to encourage people to play over the line of acceptable play, rather than mitigating dangerous play.

Nicely put Gabes.

Gabes, they had netted goals didn't they? From Karlsruhe experience, I'm sure these help to cut down on reffing goal disputes.

(out of interest, Hockey or custom built?)

On the outside court we were on on saturday, they had homemade netted goals, which works great, on the hockey court we played on sunday, they had proper hockey goals, which were also great, if a little to tall (most goalies were leaning on them).

Geneva were just trying something new. It's clear that double tap out in not a proper penalty for players who are 'being a dick'. So having a ref so far seems to do more to encourage people to play over the line of acceptable play, rather than mitigating dangerous play.

Possibly, but are you suggesting that we play the Euro Qualis without refs?

I didn't see a single goal dispute all weekend either.

Possibly, but are you suggesting that we play the Euro Qualis without refs?

did I say that?

Good idea though.

At present people are playing as if it's a game based around seeing what you can get away with or without the referee seeing what you've done wrong. And if the player gets caught out, they then carry on bitching with the referee, instead of getting back on with the game or accepting the penalty.
I'm not saying everyone does this, I think some people do.

This is applicable to all sports across the board.
As mentioned by someone previously, in competetive situations people will try and get the upper hand.
Im not an advocate of this behaviour just suprised that people are suprised to see it.
Ultimatly its down to the individual but the reff is needed to step in in certain situations.
I like that Geneva tried this aproach and am glad to hear it went well for the most part.

Typically the sign of a really good ref is that you dont notice them at all.

Bill, seriously, are you really asking that question? You know what I mean.

Or a well behaved referee.