The Vegan Thread

This reall makes no sense. If you are referring to the [true] justified belief approach to what is knowledge then it is (a) out of place here and (b) not equivalent to using the word "epistemic".

AAhhhhhhhHHHahhahhHAHHHHHHHHH !!!

Help !!

I used/use epistemic to refer to ideas that are justifiably held (ie: not whimsical opinion or conjecture), yes it is valid in the context of having my understanding of the very basic nature of the functioning of law shifted (albeit said in sarcasm).

That's not what I meant. I meant that I could convince you that you owe obligations to people. Like an obligation not to stab everyone you pass with a knife.

Agreed. (I only quoted state/society . . . and deliberately left out 'and to each other', but to be clearer I should have left off 'society' too).

But even here it is debatable, we are drifting into reciprocal altruism as a kind of obligation, so on one level at least, yes you are right.

But maybe you don't believe that because you think that the only liberty of any value at all is the right that everyone has to do whatever the fuck they want to other people?

Grrrr . . . . yes, yes . . . . grrrrrrr . . . . that's what I think . . . . grrrrrr

The E&HRC guidance merely proposes that for some people, a persons beliefs about how they perceive the world or how they ethically choose to live can go beyond supernatural powers and encompass other moral/ethical choices which may be just as important.

Right, so leave me alone then !

: )