The Vegan Thread

Epistemology is concerned with ways of knowing. It is not concerned with whether or not you happen to understand something ;)

ZZzzzzzzz, this is getting boring, I know what the word means, it was after all me who used it, let me re-phrase removing the word you are struggling with and let's call it a day on that one:

[The law] kicks in only once a problem arises.

My new response:

No way ! You have me in a tangle with regard to my justified beliefs, I didn't realise the law only came into play when it was needed . . . etc

Obligations generally: too long, a debate for another time. But I bet I could convince you otherwise.

You could convince me that there are things the state could make me do with physical force, but I suppose all we would be doing is kicking around the meaning of the word 'obligations'.

Vegan bit: it's really interesting that you say the state has too much involvement already. Most people when they say that mean that the state is already encroaching too much on our ability to do what we want and be who we are.

Yep, that's what I am saying.

This kind of legislation is quite non-statist in that way, it basically includes the state telling itself to back off and not get involved.

You'd have to give me an example to make it clear what it is you are saying.

But maybe you don't like the state telling people who they can discriminate against?

They can't. They can only legislate to mitigate the effects of discrimination in a few areas (commerce, employment and so on).

But the point is that belief systems like veganism and atheism can occasionally form the basis of unfair and unequal treatment and (on this basis) that it might be a good thing that they be protected as well.

Well firstly atheism and veganism are not a belief systems, one is a position on a single issue, the other a dietary choice - now, don't get me wrong, I understand the point that you are making and essentially have nothing against, but I think it's a waste of time and largely unnecessary.