• If you have a specific problem with something specific that has happened, then say what it is - it'll be more helpful to working out what the problems are, than just making nebulous statements like "But there is dangerous bike to bike, like some of [players name removed]'s fucking bullshit on Saturday" - that's innuendo.

    Fair. But that doesnt change Em's point. There is safe bike-bike, and dangerous bike-bike. I'm as wary as anyone of giving the refs power to decide on intent, but theres no way we can ban bike-to-bike contact in a physical game that involves bikes.

    More importantly, he's right about dangerous play. We dont call dangerous play amongst ourselves as often as we should, and until we're ready to do that, and have people call us out on the things we do, it almost doesnt matter how good the refs are. For example, Ive never seen anyone call high sticking, but we can all list the players who swing wildy. And more importantly, those players know they do it and cant be bothered to stop. Sure, "Its just throwins", but if we stop playing dangerously there, we're less likely to do it at tourneys.

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