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Nice one, buy a frame and get 2009 Force free, which is about what it's worth since SRAM killed it, and probably a good proportion of Red sales, with the 2010 Force group and its aggressive pricing. There's not much wrong with pre-2010 Force, but 2010 Force is basically Red for less than old Force. I expect the remaining 09 Force groups which hadn't already shipped out of Taiwan were melted down for scrap.