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@PatChurch
Don't be fooled. You are buying a decidedly average steel frame finished off with the parts of a regular langster. Wheels generally buckle if looked at funny, brakes are pap etc. They are ok and better than most of the crap specialized come out with nowadays, but see one in the flesh and the quality is not as some ppl seem to be describing. I sell them for a living so should know! The problem isn't really the frame but the parts that specialized spec on their bikes nowadays (for show/ noticably cheaper than days gone by)