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• #427
Might be a Rene Herse though. his stuff is the best ever created. Ever.
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• #428
Given your other thread you should really go and buy this book:
The Golden Age of Handbuilt Bicycles[ame="http://www.amazon.co.uk/Golden-Age-Handbuilt-Bicycles-Craftsmanship/dp/0847830942"]The Golden Age of Handbuilt Bicycles: Craftsmanship, Elegance, and Function: Amazon.co.uk: Jan Heine: Books[/ame]
It covers a lot of machines that innovated in all kinds of ways. One has a built-in clock and speedo above the front wheel. Most have absolutely luscious racks. Some dis-assemble.
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• #429
And the Herse bikes are in that book too.
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• #430
I'd love to get my mitts on a copy of that book. It's soooo nice! Good taste, Velocio.
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• #431
rene herse indeed.
i guess there's no chance of finding one on ebay for less than 50£.
Thanks for help lads.Ps: Book looks like ultimate PORN. Thanks.
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• #432
certainly not butt ugle
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• #433
I need help identifying my claud butler. i just bought the frame. and the paint has been mostly worn down. but the serial number is 60066 or 99009 depending on how you look at it, and it's located underneath where the pedals are.
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• #434
Pics?
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• #436
Looking at your pics I would say that your CB is well after 1955 when CB went bust and was taken over by Holdsworthy. CB serial numbers have a date component before that. After 1955 I don't think so. Pre 1951 the number indicated the date initially. 792003 for example would refer to 1947, or 1937, September, and the 2003rd built that year. From 1950 to 55 the number would be in two parts, a date component and the number produced within that year. For example 539 2920. The date always starts with a 5. =1953, September. The other number is the number produced to that point.
When Holdsworth took over the system changed and I do not know how it was done. Short story is that yours is post 1955. But because it has the raised head-badge rather than a decal I think the raised badges were discontinued late 60s. Advisable to check Norman Kilgariffs excellent site for info. He has lots of catalogues and model types illustrated there.
Check it!
http://www.nkilgariff.com/
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• #437
thank you so much!
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• #438
I need help identifying my Claud Butler. i just bought the frame. and the paint has been mostly worn down on the top bar where any hint of a name would be, but luckily it still says Claud Butler. but the serial number is 60066 or 99009 depending on how you look at it, and it's located underneath where the pedals are.
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• #439
On your picture I can't see any numbers on the bottom bracket. Look at it from the front, turn it over and is it a 6 or a 9?
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• #440
I bought this bike in 1962, 2nd hand with CB Decals. I suspect it was built in the 50's but now there is some doubt whether it really is a CB. I can find no frame number on the bottom bracket shell. PLEASE note the strengther from the down tube to the chainstay, as I have never seen this on any other frame. CB did use to build frames to customer spec so maybe this is the answer. Does anyone know ?
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• #441
@DDOW : I saw a picture of a frame with something very similar (the support strut) recently, can't for the life of me remember what frame it was... Perhaps a Bates (as I was looking around at photos of Bates stuff recently). Sorry. But, at least, I know there is something around with something similar... keep looking around! It may have even been on this site. Sorry for being vague.
This one's lugs look like hand-made ones, the way they're all blobby (curved transitions between the tube angles), rather than cast or machined ones. CB was famous for either fancy french lugs like Prugnat or Nervex, or lugless, or bilaminate 'lugs'. So that might suggest a smaller builder.
Try asking hilarystone (through here), he may be willing to give you his opinion. He's a pretty knowledgable guy!
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• #442
Thank you Skully. This was my first post so how do I get to hilarystone,
Regards
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• #443
Look at his threads (he sells a lot on here)...
press on 'statistics' tab in on this page, you can see all the threads he's started. In fact, come to think of it, it may have been him selling the frame I mentioned with the strut betweeen the ST and NDS chainstay.
http://www.lfgss.com/member4996.html
Cheers
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• #444
Thanks again, will let you know if anything positive comes out of this.
(have now used up my 3 postings nursery restrictions)
Regards
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• #445
DDOW it's not a CB, but even so well worth keeping I'd say.
I've seen it, or something very similar, before and 'Sun Wasp' comes to mind. Maybe Manx.
Try this link, or just google it.
http://66.102.9.132/search?q=cache:eJp5TOnEScwJ:http://www.classicrendezvous.com/British_isles/Sun_bicycles_main.htm+sun+wasp+bicycle&cd=2&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=ukJohn.
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• #446
There you go ... a clue!
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• #447
It's quite a good clue actually; )
With this type of machine you just need a starting point. It's all there on the net if you look.
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• #448
Thanks John, Skully.
Thats the only frame I've seen with a similar arrangement. It seems to be triangulated rather than attached to the sides of the down tube. I will keep looking
http://www.flickr.com/photos/75395133@N00/674658884/in/set-72157604448844719/
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• #450
it's a 6.
It's a custom job for the North American Handmade Bicycle Show. It's a one off.