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think those formulas from condor only come in a 32, as do the on-one pistas. i'll probably just get some dia compes and cross my fingers unless a better nugget of opinion drops. Frame will be darker than i thought so going to go for silver now. Thanks for all the advice though, now i'm properly confused.
you'd imagine something like a hub (main function spin round and hold spokes) would be pretty easy to get right. obviously not.
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