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  • Whilst it's not illegal, it's always struck me as being not the cleverest thing to do.

    It is illegal. It is just not the same offence as when driving a car and carries different penalties.

  • It is illegal. It is just not the same offence as when driving a car and carries different penalties.

    The thing is there is no drink drive limit for cyclists . . .

  • It's an ugly castle.

    The things that people will do to get around planning legislation ...

  • It was actually quite a clever re-definition of the building's finish date (as the tarp was always meant to be removed), this got rid of the 4 year loop-hole law... but I doubt this wishy-washy "finish date" ruling will be able to be used again.

  • It's sheer pathos that the power to order it demolished stems from the fact that he removed the tarpaulin, not that he built it in the first place.

    That is certainly ridiculous, but I think the fact that it's possible to make a legal decision on such a point says more about the general application of the law in this country than about this particular case or about planning legislation. I don't know much about the law, but I seem to hear about cases of excessively literal interpretation all the time.

  • Baking powder? Section 30 Road Traffic Act 1988 makes it an offence to be incapable or out of control. It doesn't make drinking & cycling illegal though.

    What offence is it then?

    ahhh wonderful pendantry. Drinking and driving a car technically isn't illegal either. Section 30, RTA 1988 however *does *make it an offence to cycle whilst unfit through drink or drugs. The offence is not "out of control" as you describe; it is "not capable of having proper control", a subtle and very subjective difference that could well see you commiting a criminal offence if you have a few shandies and cycle home.

  • ahhh wonderful pendantry.

    Ah, love it when that happens. :)

  • Look at this hipster... Yesterday's Indy: http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/art/features/blueprint-for-a-new-career-1887393.html

    How they went back to the drawing board: What the architects did next
    Andrew Mobbs BA (Hons)

    "After racing mountain bikes in my teens I decided to study engineering at college to try and get into the bike industry. At college I started riding BMX bike. I was looking out for interesting obstacles in the streets and I started noticing architecture. I studied architectural Technology in Southampton, then worked in Salisbury for two years before moving to London. I found a job at a conservation architects for three years but last June I was made redundant. After looking for architectural work, I had an offer to work in a bike shop in north London. It is not a career step I expected but it was nice to share some of my knowledge of bikes."
    Andrew now works for Amanda Levete Architects.

  • ahhh wonderful pendantry. Drinking and driving a car technically isn't illegal either. Section 30, RTA 1988 however *does *make it an offence to cycle whilst unfit through drink or drugs. The offence is not "out of control" as you describe; it is "not capable of having proper control", a subtle and very subjective difference that could well see you commiting a criminal offence if you have a few shandies and cycle home.

    How can the police prove that you've had a few shandies?

    And if they could prove - you have - then what's the legal limit?

  • Look at this hipster... Yesterday's Indy: http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/art/features/blueprint-for-a-new-career-1887393.html

    How they went back to the drawing board: What the architects did next
    Andrew Mobbs BA (Hons)

    "After racing mountain bikes in my teens I decided to study engineering at college to try and get into the bike industry. At college I started riding BMX bike. I was looking out for interesting obstacles in the streets and I started noticing architecture. I studied architectural Technology in Southampton, then worked in Salisbury for two years before moving to London. I found a job at a conservation architects for three years but last June I was made redundant. After looking for architectural work, I had an offer to work in a bike shop in north London. It is not a career step I expected but it was nice to share some of my knowledge of bikes."
    Andrew now works for Amanda Levete Architects.

    Well, isnt he hansome.

  • There is no prescribed limit (except for mechanically propelled vehicles). Which appears to be the point that TheCatMan and I are both making, albeit in different ways.

    It's an offence to be incapable, but, as yet, there is not test for what constitutes incapable. You may not, for example, be compelled to provide a breath / urine test, and it is not an offence to refuse one.

    Assuming you are in control of a motorised vehicle you will be arrested for refusing to co-operate with police, or suspicion of driving under the influence and then be taken to the station, where they will throw the book at you for being difficult, and you will be obliged to provide a sample.

    The blood alcohol limit is the approved method of establishing your capability, and will be upheld by any court in the land. Everyone responds to alcohol differently, but a line needed to be drawn in the sand in the name of public safety, and I for one fully support these measures despite having been busted myself many years ago.

    Having a limit for cycling is legislation overkill. Bicycles are just not such a danger to the public as motor traffic, so I doubt there ever will be a limit, it will be left up to the officer's discretion.

  • ^^I mis-read your original post, i agree with what you are saying. Jebus, I must be tired today...

  • There is no prescribed limit (except for mechanically propelled vehicles). Which appears to be the point that TheCatMan and I are both making, albeit in different ways.

    It's an offence to be incapable, but, as yet, there is not test for what constitutes incapable. You may not, for example, be compelled to provide a breath / urine test, and it is not an offence to refuse one.

    I guess it would be similar (or the same as) the roadside impairment test they use for drugs; walking in a straightline, finger to nose (your own, not theirs) blah blah. I doubt they would be arsed in all honesty.

  • "Unfit". The tests involve heel-to-toe walking, with a 180 turn, which is heel-to-heel, a finger-nose test, and a Romburg test (counting with your eyes closed). Also a standing on one leg and counting test, and probably some others, I forget. These are all evidence of impairment, and it's the police officer who administered the test who gives evidence. They arrest you and take you to the police station and an FME does another test, and then turns up as an expert witness. Being nicked for drink-cycling takes some doing though. Most officers would go for the "walk it home sonny, I don't want to scrape your brains off the road" style speech.

    The Crown also have to prove that you were unfit DUE TO drink or drugs. They say which it is in the charge sheet. If you can convince the bench that you were stoned, not pissed, then you're acquitted of the riding whilst unfit through drink offence. Possible last minute application to amend the charge sheet / lay a second charge to be made by the prosecutor, assuming they're awake (I rarely was).

    Anyone been arrested / charged / convicted /ticketed for drink cycling?

  • ooo.. does that me me a daredevil?

  • Got sent this today, really pissed me off.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/healthnews/7147952/Millions-of-people-waste-their-time-by-jogging.html

    Given the very specific focus of this study, whoever wrote the headline clearly didn't consider the other benefits exercise can give... WAC.

  • Surely if a book was thrown at you, that would be abuse? Especially if it was a hardback?

  • http://www.guardian.co.uk/artanddesign/2010/feb/03/foundry-gallery-set-to-close

    Foundary done and dusted. The new hotel looks site as well.

  • Heh - not that I'm proud of it, but in my youth I'd been sold dog worming pills (or similar) in 3 of the places listed.

    Karma moves in mysterious ways.

    Not only alternative venues but also undergroud vets. A great loss.

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