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@Spooky
hang on -i care too? i like procycling, maybe not as much as you but i like it still.
my opinion on armstrong is hugely swayed by that fact i know a few cancer suffers who have found him truly inspirational, which makes me not really want to nit pick.
but i agree with both of you really and all you points, i just sometimes think these issues become all raveled up as one and picking them apart begins to fall prey to male needs to categorize everything with ill thought through logics and forget that there is a bigger picture with contexts which arent divorced from everything else.
two things i dont agree with - drugs have been a part of cycling long before the last twenty years? Anquetil spoke pretty openly about it in the 60's then theres simpson and even merckx.
and chris boardman also had a bone disease which meant he could have never competed properly in the tour despite being a brilliant cyclist.