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olly: cheers for that, i had thought that this would be possible, but am worried about the concept of being 3mm out. i just figure it'll look stupid, it's less that i would notice a pull or anything silly like that, because from UTFS'ing i've noticed quite a few people going on about it.
i reckon if i go with the phil (despite it's nearly 75gbp pricetag) it'll give me best look and most flexibility as far as modifying the chainline from the front - is that a correct assumption? i'm not TOO bothered about the cost, obviously i'd like it to be less, but if it comes down to it, i'd rather spend to get a good look then skimp and have it 3mm out and simply "working" as opposed to "butter"