• I am excepting danger on both sides I'm just not excepting equivalence of danger, which seems to me what you are proposing. Is that right?

    I'm not talking about the actual danger- I'm talking about perception of danger, which I'd say was identical for motorists and cyclists, yet each thinks the other to be a lethal lunatic for speeding/RLJing.

    They probably think it is a rubbish idea as they are all so skilled that they can handle high speed in any circumstances, except of the course the "con" next to them who should not be on the road.

    You just made my point:

    They probably think it is a rubbish idea as they are all so skilled that they can handle jumping a red light in any circumstances, except of the course the "con" next to them who should not be on the road.

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