20mph limit. Can cyclists get done for this?

Yes you can.

There is an exception to all of this, a Royal Parks bylaw says cyclists CAN be done for speeding above 20mph anywhere within a Royal Park. Whilst this is ignored mostly London Dynamos will know of the many occasions where the police do try and enforce this and stand at the bottom of the Hill on the South side with a laser and pull cyclists over.

london dynamo going over 20 mph dream on

It is a downhill ;)

Yes you can.

Ok, apart from in Royal Parks (which are a law unto themselves) where and under what act?

If you are pulled over by the police for running a red light, and given a fine, do you have to pay this ?

Did you run a red light?

Ok, apart from in Royal Parks (which are a law unto themselves) where and under what act?

you don't need a speedo on some very old motor vehicles. You can still be done for speeding in them if they can go fast enough.

I've said it before and I'll say it again. Speedos are irrelevant. They have nothing to do with it. I have no idea why you think they do.

Motor vehicles can be done for speeding, non-motor vehicles cannot. It is that simple.

https://www.londonfgss.com/post806010-53.html

Agreed. You don't need a speedo on a moped, there is no requirement, but we are talking about pedal cycles, aren't we?

You're totally right about the first bit, but going down Tufnell Park Road, for example (in Islington, has very smooth gentle speed bumps) I normally do well over 20, I haz speedo so I know it's true.

1. most people on this forum have no idea of actual speed and think they are traveling much faster than they do, 20mph is a fair crack on the flat in traffic and pretty unlikely over islingtons speedhumps between sets of lights.
   

On the flat? and in traffic? bully for you.

I have a friend who was fined for doing 39 mph in a 30 mph zone.

That was me...

I think the new 20mph zones that are being discussed are the standard average speed cameras. Given that nothing on two wheels has a number plate directly visible from the front, I don't think anything on two wheels has to worry about the new zones. Will be interesting to see what difference it makes in London. I'd love to see it from Hammersmith to Greenwich, personally! The A2 is nuts, the embankment is nuts, and a 20mph limit would make things rather more genteel, I hope.

That was me...

You can push a bike a 39mph?

i got caught RLJ'ing a month ago, and riding on the pavement a couple of days ago

it seems they cant be arsed to give you a fine so just give you a warning

maybe if they fined me, I'd learn a lesson

That was me...

Brakeless-danger-hipster

The average speed camera 20mph enforcement will be interesting as it does not effect motorbikes as VB points out.

Might end up with cars crawling along at 20 mph with the bikes howling down the outside/weaving through the middle as they cannot be "seen" by the camera's.

Thinking about it it's a very slight hill, I'm pretty sure I can do that one a flat too if there's no traffic in the way but I haven't got a speedo at the moment so I'm going to stop making these grand claims before it's too late!

On the flat? and in traffic? bully for you.

No change there then.

The average speed camera 20mph enforcement will be interesting as it does not effect motorbikes as VB points out.

Might end up with cars crawling along at 20 mph with the bikes howling down the outside/weaving through the middle as they cannot be "seen" by the camera's.

Hackney Council is due to hear the following motion at its meeting on the 21st November:

http://mginternet.hackney.gov.uk/documents/g2093/Agenda%20frontsheet%2021st-Nov-2012%2019.00%20Council.pdf?T=0

(Item 16b)

b) 20mph limit

This Council notes: Hackney residents cycle more than those in any other London borough. Hackney has some of the highest levels of walking in London. Hackney is encouraging more residents and their children to cycle and walk. Many of these trips occur on Hackney’s busy roads.

That there are high levels of exposure to traffic collisions resulting in road crashes and injury. If the council continues to be successful in promoting active travel this exposure will increase.

All Hackney’s residential streets are now within 20mph zones. Our neighbouring borough, Islington, intends to introduce 20mph limits on all the roads it controls. The proposal includes working in partnership with Hackney, through an initial trial for a year, to introduce this speed limit on the roads Islington shares with Hackney.

That the police are reluctant to enforce a 20mph limit on the main road network that is not self enforcing.

This Council:

i) Welcomes the initiative taken by Islington Council and the trial by Hackney Council on its roads;

ii) Wishes to build on the success of the introduction of slower speeds on residential roads, but is concerned that the lack of any proper means of enforcement will undermine this initiative;

iii) Resolves to seek to persuade the police to work with the Council to introduce an enforceable 20 mph limit on the roads controlled by Hackney Council.

iv) Resolves that officers are instructed to monitor and evaluate the trial so the Council can assess whether the remainder of Hackney primary route network can be subjected to a 20mph limit without the use of self enforcing measures and in doing so considers any possible impacts on residential streets.

v) Resolves to lobby TfL to look at lower speeds to complement our approach, especially around town centres such as Shoreditch, Dalston and Stoke Newington

Proposer: Cllr Vincent Stops
Seconder: Cllr Feryal Demirci

The meeting is on the 21st November, at 7pm, at Hackney Town Hall, for those who want to go along to hear the motion debated.