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well sure and i know to distinguish between v-brake claw grippy power and dual pivot feeling. what i was referring to, is the delay before grip, which was second to none vs. very irritating.
but after running them new salmon rubers in on my dp18 rims, having a clean machined braking surface and with purpose build wet weather pads, i feel the truth being that this is as good as it gets.
... at least until rigida's carbide treated 700c rims *mumbles not that something like it exists, tho i wish it would ...