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this could be very good
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Nice idea if a little goth.
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There is a map like this already:
Not sure how good it is, though. I notice several omissions.
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I'm always wary of these types of mapping projects. Often the information is flawed and incomplete, being built up out of common knowledge rather than hard data. Also, when used in campaigning they can as easily be used against the campaigners as by them.
As Dovvles says, what's the point? What is it that you hope to acheive by mapping this information?
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Just what I was going to say, without proper analysis the data frequently gets miss used.
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There is accurate information about for most cycle deaths in public press, it doesn't take much to get the exact spot on the road should you need that. but why would you need that?
How many times a week do you ride past a spot that a cyclist was killed? How many cyclists have been killed in Zone 1 in the last 5 years? How many in the borough of Camden? do the numbers of deaths relate back to the boroughs efforts in improving road safety??
Having a map peppered with coloured dots highlights visually the numbers that actually die on roads we share every year, its more than you think
Visuals and stats are one thing news and politicians can get hold of and use to beat each other, if it highlights the risks on London roads then it's worth doing.If some gluttonous up French cosmetics company can litter out screens with bottles of re-constituted pig fat with the active scientific ingredient *fillup crackus wrinklyfuckus** then i am sure a map that shows cycle deaths accurate to the nearest 10 meters isn't going to put us inside for mis-information and false advertising
** based on a controlled group of 100 users given it for free who work for them*
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There is a map like this already:
Not sure how good it is, though. I notice several omissions.
thats nearly 1.5 years out of date, we can add nearly 18 to that... and it is only NGV + a bus if i remember correctly
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Mixed feelings. Good or bad? With all respect I certainly agree the line 'with proper analysis the data frequently gets miss used'.
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There is accurate information about for most cycle deaths in public press,
There's accurate information about those incidents that get reported. What about those that don't get reported in the papers.
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You need the junction, Date, rider details and accident summary.. that is it
If this map highlights a particular road or junction (Kingsland Road, Upper thames St, Southampton Row, St Johns etc) then further investigation and research needs to be carried out on that junction.of users, # HGV/Busses, # near misses and so on, with sufficient data you can then create a case to change the road layout or sign an alternative route for cyclists, there isn't enough people working on this so effort has to be concentrated.
@TSK - Good point well made, i have a list of all road deaths over the last three years and the best information is from internet forums, then local papers a week or so later. they often recieve little or no collumn space..
They should still be noted but marked as un-confirmed, if 40% of accidents were un-confirmed or un-reported then i'd me more concerned about the seriousness of cycle safety in the media.We haven't even plotted any severe (non-fatal) accidents....
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Found this a while ago
Think it's just incidents though, no difference made re what type of accident is marked. Still pretty useful though to check what junctions / roads / areas are more dangerous than other.
Surely this is valuable info when it comes to road planning?
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Found this a while ago
Think it's just incidents though, no difference made re what type of accident is marked. Still pretty useful though to check what junctions / roads / areas are more dangerous than other.
Surely this is valuable info when it comes to road planning?
Sweet jesus! thats shocking, but you are right, the ability to be able to disect this data according to timeline/accident type would be invaluable
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after a quick scan the bulk of those accidents i saw were on junctions.. it this because they are reported road X meets or Near Road Y or are most cycle accidents on junctions? (which is what i would suspect)
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Found this a while ago
Think it's just incidents though, no difference made re what type of accident is marked. Still pretty useful though to check what junctions / roads / areas are more dangerous than other.
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Surely this is valuable info when it comes to road planning?**Not really, without some sort of normalization i.e accidents peruser and analysis of the type of junction e.g design 1 ,2, 3, analysis of what other traffic uses that junction it's hard to draw any good conclusions. Raw numbers don't help here, there maybe a very bad junction in Coventry which has had one death over the past 10 ears but a junction that's design is not ideal but not as bads as Coventry's that has had 5 deaths over the past 10 years.
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Maybe the councils could ban left turns?
The massive amount of extra manouvering that would be required for HGVs to acheive this would significantly increase the risks on the roads. Furthermore there are certain developments and building works that simply could not be done with the absence of HGVs due to access only being available through a left turn.
Besides, left turns themselves aren't dangerous, it's the person doing the turn.
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thats nearly 1.5 years out of date, we can add nearly 18 to that... and it is only NGV + a bus if i remember correctly
Ah, I thought someone had been maintaining it.
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after a quick scan the bulk of those accidents i saw were on junctions.. it this because they are reported road X meets or Near Road Y or are most cycle accidents on junctions? (which is what i would suspect)
An estimated 75% of all crashes occur at junctions.
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Ah, I thought someone had been maintaining it.
as did i, i can't get my updates on it thought him. i would create another but this one is linked in so best to update
do you have the owners contact details?
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Maybe the councils could ban left turns?The massive amount of extra manouvering that would be required for HGVs to acheive this would significantly increase the risks on the roads. Furthermore there are certain developments and building works that simply could not be done with the absence of HGVs due to access only being available through a left turn.
I was being sarcastic.
At the root of the problem I think is a lack of education all round. Cyclists and HGV drivers are equally culpable.
You're just asking for trouble cycling adjacent to a HGV at an intersection.
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There is a map like this already:
Not sure how good it is, though. I notice several omissions.
I started this map - it does have omissions but i have relied on anecodatal evidence and Moving Target to build it up......
If you are going to do it properly a FOI request to DoT specifying that you want list of all cycling serious injuries & deaths with post codes / geo-location data attached would be a good start
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Map of London cyclist deaths
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hi,
is there already a map of London cyclist deaths?
just started an open-collaboration g-map* here:
http://tinyurl.com/londoncyclistdeaths
ps.
in NYC on 5-Jan'10: 5th Annual Memorial Ride and Walk (http://www.ghostbikes.org)
4) paste the URL link in a new browser window and add the following statement at the very end of the URL
&output=kml