Kill a cyclist, hide the evidence, get two years

However, this is pure speculation in this case. No psychiatric assessment of the driver has been carried out, and by the looks of it none was called for/indicated under the circumstances. Merely denying all awareness of the incident isn't sufficient.

several top scientists looked into the matter and realised he was in fact a comedy stupid looking face drawn onto a very fat thumb..

does anyone think that this case as worthy of a manslaughter charge?? All the pooints of this case seem to strongly suggest great neglect which seems to match up perfectly with grounds for a manslaughter charge.

The fact this cunt got 2 years is a complete outrage. Really we should all be protesting in the streets an demanding the law be changed. In my opinion a motor vehicle is a potential - actually bollocks to that - is in its entirety a lethal weapon (the amount of times this has been proved correct is beyond count) and should be legislated against as such. People who do this should at least get manslaugter. Fuck me - he drove on and threw away the evidence in a layby. This sends out completely the wrong message to the average motorist.

No. He DIDN'T throw it away. That's not true. He is innocent of all charges and blameless and guilt-free.

The lorry driver happened to collide with a cyclist without realising it. Then it just happened that after driving for six miles with a bike dragging under the lorry but not working its way loose, he then stopped in a layby and the mangled bike somehow ended up in the hedge of that layby.

I'm afraid I'm with Mr Potato-Head on this one - it seems like a complete mystery to me. I mean, if you just examine the FACTS, rather than speculate then you can see that the bike could have come to be there any one of a number of ways.

Well kill a motorcyclist when drunk and leg it from the scene you get less.

Its shocking, and worrying that its such a light sentence. But the comments about driving being a right is quite wrong IMO as you have to pass a test which means its not ever a right, but a right to go for a testt to set a minimum standard.

reading that disgusts me. UK law sucks doesn't it...
the lorry driver virtually murdered the the poor guy and with all the evidence in place, i can only think he is either a mentally disabled or is a psychopath (no emotion or empathy) because there is not a chance he was unaware of the events during the accident.

2 years... jesus...

from what I have read, someone who mows over a cyclist banging on a window trying to alert them, and later throws the bike away and continues his day as normal, without even stopping for a second to check on the person they have just run over, is not only a cold-blooded killer, but a potential maniac and should most certainly be locked up for life, or at the very very least be stuck in a psychiatric unit, and banned from driving for life.

The complete lack of remorse just turned my blood cold. Having read other court transcripts, the usual response of the driver that I have encountered, guilty or otherwise, is one of deep distress, shame, sorrow and regret........

The fact that the judge seems to acknowledge the lack of remorse and terrifying attitude of the defendant, yet still gave such a lenient sentence, is utterly baffling.

I understand that there were no witnesses to account for what the cyclist did before he got in front of the lorry, and even if he was doing wheelies and pedalling backwards blind-folded, surely the events that followed should have been enough to get this guy on a manslaugher charge.

I'm horrified. What action can this family take to appeal, if any?

I didn't see evidence he threw away the bike, but the fact he failed to even acknowledge the noise and disturbance is a massive neglect of his duty as a road user. Pure ignorance!
If he did do it deliberately and knowingly then he should be shot! but I would hate to think someone would do that.. I’d prefer to believe he panicked. It’s really hard to put yourself in that situation.. what would you do???

remind me never to cycle alongside you when you are out driving......

are you seriously suggesting that in a panic you would throw the mangled bicycle of a man you just drove over in your lorry in a ditch with his passport and belongings and go on and make a delivery like nothing even happened?

That said, Oliver makes a good point about traumatic stress, and it didn't seem, from the link, that any psychiatric evaluation had been made of the driver. But, even if he was suffering from post-traumatic stress and this action was a result of his trauma state, *none *of this was reflected in his demeanor in court, or by his family, as far as I can tell from the words of the judge and the brother of the victim.

There are definite arguments for not knowing what you would do in a situation until you've been there, but I will eat my hat if I, or anyone I know, would react to this incident in such a manner. And if I did I would hope they would ensure that I was never free to do anything like that again.

Mind you in other countries this kind of thing happens regularly with no consequence.
At least the accident was addressed as appropriately as it could have been and the culprit brought forward.

Outdoors Magic have deleted Mr Stubb's defence of his son.

Yeah I couldn't find it this morning.

This still makes me sick reading this, The worst part was the holding onto the windscreen wipers, how the fuck could he not see him there, could you really sleep at night knowing that someone had killed your loved one and only got 2 years. Once again just shows how really shit our criminal/justice system really is.

My old man used to drive lorries. I've spent a lot of time in the cab. And despite the fact that they're so big, if something hits the rear part of the lorry you might not hear it in the front but there's very little between the driver and a cyclist banging on the front. You've got no bonnet in a lorry.

Even with the radio on loud, I can't see how you could not realise what you were doing/had done. Unless... He was late and had taken a wrong turn, got annoyed at being held up by a bicycle that pulled up in front of him, then drove through the bike deliberately and knew he was driving over the bike, just didn't realise til no cyclist appeared at the side of the cab that he'd crushed the rider. At that point he clearly panicked and decided the "Sorry, I didn't see him" defence was the easiest.

Some people think car,car,car,car and have it in their heads they can push a bike out of the way like you would a 4-wheeled vehicle. Rather than the truth that it it's more likely to end up under the wheels.

Well, at least he didn't get off with no punishment at all. That would have been about 5 million times worse.

Even with the radio on loud, I can't see how you could not realise what you were doing/had done. Unless... He was late and had taken a wrong turn, got annoyed at being held up by a bicycle that pulled up in front of him, then drove through the bike deliberately and knew he was driving over the bike, just didn't realise til no cyclist appeared at the side of the cab that he'd crushed the rider. At that point he clearly panicked and decided the "Sorry, I didn't see him" defence was the easiest.

We have a winner.

I bet that is almost exactly what happened, he did it willfully, then said he hadn't noticed.

I say again, if you want to kill someone and get away with it, use a motor vehicle, preferably the largest one you can find.

After reading all this, the truck drivers after the incident, he don't to accept responsibility for his action and decided to hide the evidence, to him it's 'easier' to try and get away with it than do the whole court thing.

luckily it backfired, unluckily the sentence isn't exactly great.

We have a winner.

I bet that is almost exactly what happened, he did it willfully, then said he hadn't noticed.

I say again, if you want to kill someone and get away with it, use a motor vehicle, preferably the largest one you can find.

A motor vehicle is a deadly weapon, and imo should be legislated as such to protect the rights of the most vulnerable road users.

A motor vehicle is a deadly weapon, and imo should be legislated as such to protect the rights of the most vulnerable road users.

I've posted it before but I'm desperately trying to promote it because I think it's such a good post and can't believe it did not get more attention when I made thread for it.

Read this http://thecyclingsilk.blogspot.com/2009/11/cycling-against-car-culture.html

I've posted it before but I'm desperately trying to promote it because I think it's such a good post and can't believe it did not get more attention when I made thread for it.

Read this http://thecyclingsilk.blogspot.com/2009/11/cycling-against-car-culture.html

Excellent blog. Scary how cheap our lives are, and how leanient the sentencing is against motorists.

Does anyone know if there is any EU directives or plans to chnage anything related to cyclist deaths caused by motor vehicle traffic? The authorities in this country are far too car biased and will resisit change in our favour. Maybe the EU sees things differently?

remind me never to cycle alongside you when you are out driving......

I drive like i cycle

in the cycle lanes and on the pavement

are you seriously suggesting that in a panic you would throw the mangled bicycle of a man you just drove over in your lorry in a ditch with his passport and belongings and go on and make a delivery like nothing even happened?

Nope, i'd break the act of deception up with a cup of tea and maybe a few hob nobs...!

I wouldn't have panicked. i have met people from all walks and like the rest of us am aware England is made up of all sorts. sad as it is, it wouldn't surprise me in the slightest that someone would panic and act in such a numbfuckable way. without knowing the detail i couldn't tell you if it was from weak emotional state or evil.

That said, Oliver makes a good point about traumatic stress, and it didn't seem, from the link, that any psychiatric evaluation had been made of the driver. But, even if he was suffering from post-traumatic stress and this action was a result of his trauma state, *none *of this was reflected in his demeanor in court, or by his family, as far as I can tell from the words of the judge and the brother of the victim.

There are definite arguments for not knowing what you would do in a situation until you've been there, but I will eat my hat if I, or anyone I know, would react to this incident in such a manner. And if I did I would hope they would ensure that I was never free to do anything like that again

Agreed, it's hard to understand why he showed no remorse, he must be simple or sure of his innocence.

I've posted it before but I'm desperately trying to promote it because I think it's such a good post and can't believe it did not get more attention when I made thread for it.

Read this http://thecyclingsilk.blogspot.com/2009/11/cycling-against-car-culture.html

Sorry, Tommy, I still haven't had time to look at this properly. It's high on the 'to do' list by now, though.

Shit! That's rough....

:-(

Appropriate use of emoticon?

heres a solution (simple?) to the constant problem and danger for cyclists:

lights are red for all vehicular traffic but 10 seconds before the lights go green for that traffic, a cyclists 'green light' appears to allow cyclists to travel off before any of the vehicles are allowed to. This would eliminate the danger posed by both setting off at the same time as the cyclist would be long gone before the bus/lorry/car starts moving.

Simple enough wouldnt you agree?, im surprised it hasnt been seriously debated.

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Well, at least he didn't get off with no punishment at all. That would have been about 5 million times worse.

Two years isn't much. Probably get a similar time for speeding.

Two years isn't much. Probably get a similar time for speeding.

Yes. That's right, of course he would.

Do you want to buy some magic beans, lynx?

The idea to make him panicked until his death is really good.

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