Bike porn

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my parents have a schnauzer back in spain, I miss her

Since when chub hubs are rubbish?? they're surprisingly light and the quality is great, especially after lifting Scott's one.

You think radial lacing are perfectly fine on any hubs, you gave poor advice on Braker's frame design, and now you says chub hubs are rubbish!

I'm sorry but what the fuck?

I think Radial lacing sucks on all fixie wheels. I just said any hub can be laced radially. Not that you should want to.

I didn't give poor advice on that frame design, it was opinion and a suggestion, nothing more or less then that. You just didn't agree.

And Chubs are rubbish. The flange is too high, forces spokes to go through to big-a-deflection, reducing the wheels strength. And, because of the height of the flange on most rims that such a hub gets laced on to you can't do more then a 2 cross. And all that for a sizeable amount of money. And they look shit, and the strength of the flange and quality of the bearings isn't as good as other top end track hubs.

I'm sorry but what the fuck?

I think Radial lacing sucks on all fixie wheels. I just said any hub can be laced radially. Not that you should want to.

I didn't give poor advice on that frame design, it was opinion and a suggestion, nothing more or less then that. You just didn't agree.

And Chubs are rubbish. The flange is too high, forces spokes to go through to big-a-deflection, reducing the wheels strength. And, because of the height of the flange on most rims that such a hub gets laced on to you can't do more then a 2 cross. And all that for a sizeable amount of money. And they look shit, and the strength of the flange and quality of the bearings isn't as good as other top end track hubs.

Agree.

Get that big flange out of my face.

that is amasing!

^ that is nice!

I'm sorry but what the fuck?

I think Radial lacing sucks on all fixie wheels. I just said any hub can be laced radially. Not that you should want to.

I didn't give poor advice on that frame design, it was opinion and a suggestion, nothing more or less then that. You just didn't agree.

And Chubs are rubbish. The flange is too high, forces spokes to go through to big-a-deflection, reducing the wheels strength. And, because of the height of the flange on most rims that such a hub gets laced on to you can't do more then a 2 cross. And all that for a sizeable amount of money. And they look shit, and the strength of the flange and quality of the bearings isn't as good as other top end track hubs.

rubbish

point 1. the picture i posted earlier, shows the hub laced 3 cross

point 2. well helooo they aren't as good as top end track hubs, they're hipster products. It's like comparing fish to elephants

I say Porn™.

point 2. well helooo they aren't as good as top end track hubs, they're hipster products. It's like comparing fish to elephants

elephant > fishie

point 1. the picture i posted earlier, shows the hub laced 3 cross

For people with short memories, this is what you posted:

It illustrates very well why the Chub is a bad idea; the spokes enter the rim at an angle they were never designed to accommodate. At best, this is an ugly build which will fail at the nipples after a short amount of time, as the bend the spoke has to be set in during stress relieving gets flexed every time the wheel turns under load. At worst, the mad nipple angle will eventually destroy a very expensive rim. Building this rim 3-X on a Chub is an act of utter stupidity. With the big flanges, though, the spoke angle doesn't even get much better if you reduce the crossing; as one angle decreases, the other gets worse. Built fully tangential, the Chub has no more lateral stiffness than a small flange hub, and no wheel needs that much increase in torsional stiffness, so it is always wrong to build a Chub anywhere near fully tangential regardless of which rim you're using. They should be built, if at all, with lower crossing than a smaller flanged hub to give the same torsional stiffness, and a possibly desirable increase in lateral stiffness, although with track hubs even this is a solution to a non-existent problem as any track hub built with an appropriate number of the right guage spokes will be stiff enough. With this build, on this rim, the whole wheel is a disaster. For tackling a non-existent issue, all Chub Hubs are de-facto anti-porn, and any bike which has one instantly becomes anti-porn because no amount of porn in the rest of the build can outweigh the anti-ness of the hub.

yeah, but the insanity of it is what i like, you haven't seen the rest of the bike

it's better to build something that is awful, but is known for being awful
rather than something blank and like everyone elses, something dictated by the rules.

it is it's stupidity and crazyness that gives it character, and if it puts a smile on the owners face - who are you to judge whats right...

and any bike which has one instantly becomes anti-porn because no amount of porn in the rest of the build can outweigh the anti-ness of the hub.

Hah, I love that quote!

you're all complete dicks

Offroad Surly Steamroller

Can't remember if this is a repost or not... it may have even been me that posted it first time round if so..

Doesn't feel like a repost, but defintely know what you mean, I love that Cannondale with the skinny rims and modern/classic crank, the other one that has been posted here before is this slighty more hipster version with phils and velocity amongst other;

I don't like that one really, except the F+F and cranks of course. I think really small frames look weird and that one looks like compact geo.

and I'm sure we've all seen the one with the blue Chris King headset and front Shamal?

I want shallow rims now, my CXP12 are nice but I'm starting to really like super shallow silver box-section rims... the ones on the Cannondale are only Mavic Open Sport but they look the dog's...

Something for the SS offroaders.
Modified, polished/ceramic coated XTR's (and an Aerozine). The Facebook site is a bit of a crank porn fest IMHO. I'm getting an Areozine done in ceramic white for the SS 29er (I'd usually steer clear of white cranks, but for some reason I like tastless colour schemes for offroad bikes).
http://www.facebook.com/pages/SHAWNEE-TRAIL-BIKE-AND-PERFORMANCE-COATINGS/187061700373?v=feed&story_fbid=229157395373

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I was wondering if someone might post this... saw it on sale on the Bay a few weeks ago... absolutely stunning in my opinion... My next big buy is going to be done with this in mind.

For people with short memories, this is what you posted:

It illustrates very well why the Chub is a bad idea; the spokes enter the rim at an angle they were never designed to accommodate. At best, this is an ugly build which will fail at the nipples after a short amount of time, as the bend the spoke has to be set in during stress relieving gets flexed every time the wheel turns under load. At worst, the mad nipple angle will eventually destroy a very expensive rim. Building this rim 3-X on a Chub is an act of utter stupidity. With the big flanges, though, the spoke angle doesn't even get much better if you reduce the crossing; as one angle decreases, the other gets worse. Built fully tangential, the Chub has no more lateral stiffness than a small flange hub, and no wheel needs that much increase in torsional stiffness, so it is always wrong to build a Chub anywhere near fully tangential regardless of which rim you're using. They should be built, if at all, with lower crossing than a smaller flanged hub to give the same torsional stiffness, and a possibly desirable increase in lateral stiffness, although with track hubs even this is a solution to a non-existent problem as any track hub built with an appropriate number of the right guage spokes will be stiff enough. With this build, on this rim, the whole wheel is a disaster. For tackling a non-existent issue, all Chub Hubs are de-facto anti-porn, and any bike which has one instantly becomes anti-porn because no amount of porn in the rest of the build can outweigh the anti-ness of the hub.

I knew someone could articulate it better then me.
The only thing you left out, is Zipp are very very specific on how to lace there rims. I believe they strongly recommend all their rims are laced radially, although they may cross some of their rears, but I'm not sure.

I knew someone could articulate it better then me.
The only thing you left out, is Zipp are very very specific on how to lace there rims. I believe they strongly recommend all their rims are laced radially, although they may cross some of their rears, but I'm not sure.

This mainly due to the rim drillings. I cant imagine its a good idea to have a steel spoke pushing against the thin carbon on the inside profile of the rim. I cant really see why anyone would 3x a 28 spoked wheel anyway. 2x gives a better angle for torsional strength (similar to 32 spoke 3x), more lateral strengh (closer to radial), and weighs less (well, 3 grams or something).

Geekery aside. The thin aero contoured rim + chunky square hub = fugly.

ED: do Zipp rims have tight spoke clearances for aero benefits? May blame my slack eyelets next time I'm late for work :)

lovely bike
just looks so functional and well used

The only thing you left out, is Zipp are very very specific on how to lace there rims. I believe they strongly recommend all their rims are laced radially, although they may cross some of their rears, but I'm not sure.

Radial rear, bit unusual?