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i think what i'm trying to say is that having been around Old Street and Shoreditch since the days of The Blue Note and those old backstreet pubs that are still there but not what they used to be, all that shows is I'm older than some of the people there now.. I've seen the crowd change enormously, from easy going clubbers to coke-twitchey wankers to suited city squares to normal Friday nighters, then a few years ago it got interesting again, and yes it was the fashion and art crowd. there were some fucking good nights going on there a few years ago. It very quickly became incredibly shit again as time out and rough guide made sure to include it as a must-visit place to go out, so that all kinds of twats rolled up to get hammered and be lairy.. and that's where it is now. But the worthwhileness of going out for the night in Shoredich has gone up and down over the last 15 years, and nowhere else in London has been as interesting in that time frame. A hotel for wankers, directly opposite a hotel for salesmen and tourists who got confused on the internet, will do nothing to help Shoreditch send the people who are currently making it such a boring, on-the-lash place away - it will just increase their numbers.