Overweight 'should be protected'

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love you to XXXL

KFC and Booze abusers unite :p

Over eaters need to find a cheaper way to kill themselves and leave the NHS for people who actually want to live

(Said by a smoker)

Got a spare fag bro?

Whilst some people have genuine endocrine imbalance issues which promote obesity the majority of individuals who fall into the "overweight" category do so through lifestyle choice.
I find it amazing that the media refer to an "obesity epidemic", as if its something you can catch!
We have a vastly energy rich lifestyle, practically unlimited access to high calorie/sugar foods and no reason (beyond personal pride/choice) to exercise.
The majority of those who are classed as being overweight ignore a simple truth: If you eat a lot you get fat. After all no one ever woke up and found they had suddenly gotten fat overnight.
Now I like to live in a country where I can choose my lifestyle, and others have that choice, be it food, drugs, ciggs, couch potato, or alcohol. But whichever "unhealthy lifestyle" group you are in the simple truth is that on average you will be a larger net drain on the public finances then someone who leads a moderate and healthy life. But the healthier lifestyle person has no choice as to whether they pay for the lifestyle choices of others.
No moral judgment, more a financial reality in a society struggling to meet competing fiscal demands.

"You don't wake up fat overnight" - That's true.
However some medication can make you gain weight though, right? Not food related?

I knew a girl in Queens Park, back in the 1980's, who had been diagnosed with an overactive pituitary gland. She was obese, and even I thought that her stomach rolls were from a lack of healthy diet and lifestyle. I saw her about 15 years later, and she had lost what looked like at least 7 stone. When I asked her what she did to lose weight, she told me that after more than a decade of being administered different drugs from her consultant at St.Mary's Hospital, Paddington, one eventually worked. Her glands started behaving more normally, and her weight just fell off.

I admit, that I never gave her an inkling of my original thoughts....as I was too embarassed.

I presume she also was a great fat lard-arse that needs to be shot?

As lileth has intimated, there are sometimes more things going on than just the obvious.

So who do fat people need protection from?

The biggest threat to their health is probably themselves rather than people insulting them.

My mother was rotund, my father is too and this is very much lifestyle related - rich food and not enough exercise. Both my sisters and myself are aware of our genetic inheritance and all try to watch what we eat and exercise regularly.

After a year of regular cycling I had lost over 10% of my mass.

Yes there are a few people with glandular/medical issues but predominantly its a matter of eat less, exercise more.

it is not the same fucking ratio for everyone, that is the point.
not everyone puts weigh on/off at the same rate, given the same intake/exercise.

some people would need to devote every minute to being an adonis, and quite rightly would rather devote some of their time to being happy.

sometimes being happy and not being paranoid about wearing skinny jeans is better for your health.

It's fat, queer, ginger, Jamaican Jews thatI feel sorry for - like BRM.

Who the fuck are you calling ginger?

some fat people are openly villified because they have a visceral manifestation of the results of their 'self medication' to deal with underlying mental and emotional problems

good job that not everyones consequence of dealing with their mental and emotional machinations are not so physically obvious eh?

yup, nearly all overweight people are that because of an imbalance between calories in and calories expended but it is overly simplistic to dismiss it as all fat people being 'lazy fuckers' - there always seems to be more understanding of people going thro clinical depression than someone who is obese when the only real difference is the physical manifestation of the problem

-- and stop stirring Cras Crish you speccy boew tie wearing git :^]

some fat people are openly villified because they have a visceral manifestation of the results of their 'self medication' to deal with underlying mental and emotional problems

good job that not everyones consequence of dealing with their mental and emotional machinations are not so physically obvious eh?

yup, nearly all overweight people are that because of an imbalance between calories in and calories expended but it is overly simplistic to dismiss it as all fat people being 'lazy fuckers' - there always seems to be more understanding of people going thro clinical depression than someone who is obese when the only real difference is the physical manifestation of the problem

-- and stop stirring Cras Crish you speccy boew tie wearing git :^]

Pleas believe me I'm not trying to be incendiary here , I'm sure there are people who are fat due to underlying depression or mental problems, others who have medical or gene related issues but why are people so intent on denying the existence of those who like food and think exercise is too much like hard work. I'm not saying ALL obese people are avers to exercise or eat too much but in quite a lot of cases, and I would say the majority, one of those factors is at play.

If food became scarce again, there would be less obesity.

I'm in no way denying that there are people who are fat for no other reason other than they eat too much and do too little

what I do have a problem with is the general acceptance that it is somehow ok to view and label all overweight people as such and is seen by society as ok to openly taunt and villify fat people purely because the physical manifestation of what may be underlying problems is so apparent

+1 and ban salt in all food products..

no way, food needs salt

people just need to get a grip, especially fat people

On a serious note, why should fat people have more rights then gingers?

On a serious note, why should fat people have more rights then gingers?

Shouldn't everyone have the same rights?

Not if they are cycling on the pavement, otherwise yes.

Shouldn't everyone have the same rights?

Ask Eleanor Roosevelt.

Really?

Attacking someone for being fat should be a hate crime, campaigners say.
They want so-called "fat-ism" to be made illegal on the same grounds as race, age and religious discrimination.

They are missing the point completely.

Running away from potential assailants is the only exercise some of these people ever get.

On a serious note, why should fat people have more rights then gingers?

or blondes, they all get shit for being dumb, yet this isn't the case. Or Hipsters even, the skinny trouser wearing freaks

By bringing in a law like this you're realistically creating a hate crime for commenting about someones appearance, it could set a massive precedence.

love you to XXXL

Italian cycle clothing?

or blondes, they all get shit for being dumb, yet this isn't the case. Or Hipsters even, the skinny trouser wearing freaks

By bringing in a law like this you're realistically creating a hate crime for commenting about someones appearance, it could set a massive precedence.

Sounds like censorship to me. Maybe it should be ok to comment, but only if they can't catch you.

I'm in no way denying that there are people who are fat for no other reason other than they eat too much and do too little

what I do have a problem with is the general acceptance that it is somehow ok to view and label all overweight people as such and is seen by society as ok to openly taunt and villify fat people purely because the physical manifestation of what may be underlying problems is so apparent

I'm fucking shit at debating, so I just end up whinging, but that ^ was the point I was trying to make.

I'm out of this subject. It's just going to go around in circles like the beth ditto thread.

On a serious note, why should fat people have more rights then gingers?

Finally +1

We should have more , right, right?

I've said all this before but....
The vast majority of people we see in our diabetes clinic are obese not because of medication, leptin gene mutation, hormonal imbalance etc (despite these being regular claims for the cause of their weight). They are obese due to over eating. If you are a western european and obese then the cause is virtually always due to poor diet and a sedentary life style (oddly people of south asian descent are more likely to be diabetics in general.) There are the exceptions with rare mutations or brain injuries but they are grossly outnumber by over eaters/exercise deniers.

And whilst it will never happen legislation such as this would legitimise the lack of responsibility and denial that many of these people display to avoid doing what would significantly improve their health and well being.

A shift in the way our population eats, what it eats and more acceptance of self-responsibility are the only way to avoid suffering for a significant proportion of the population.

I have spent the last 2 years working on the molecular biology of diabetes in relation to the in vivo environment and due to the futility of working with people unwilling to help themselves i am considering moving into a different field when my contract expires.

I've always wondered about the brain injury / hormonal imbalance thing? Does it just cause your body to store all your calories as fat? In which case, I guess restricting calorie intake would work?

Surely it's all an input-output equation on some level? It doesn't cause you to spontaneously generate matter does it?