Overweight 'should be protected'

Dont agree with this. If your an addictand you want to come off drugs how are you supposed to if there's no help? Doing iit on your own, cold turkey takes an incredible amount of mental strength, which i think most addicts would lack

Addicts are breaking the law by taking drugs, those who are overweight are not. Why should addicts receive state help ahead of overweight people?

why do some people take drugs, why do some people overeat?

it's not quite as simple as some of the 'oh they're just lazy fookers' brigade would have you think

This i know. Personally i believe people should take reponsability for themselves. If you need some help doing this, so be it. It should be out there, such as drug rehabilitation or education for overweight people on how to live a healthy life style but I dont like all this legisalting for this and that (almost as if civil servants/MP are just looking for something to do. There plenty of general legislation that covers abuse/discrimination, i dont think we need more for fat people

Addicts are breaking the law by taking drugs, those who are overweight are not. Why should addicts receive state help ahead of overweight people?

Yup, there breaking the law, they don't just harm themselves though. They'll also commit other crimes like burglary to feed there habits, there's all the criminal gangs that supply the addicts who are involved in other crimes, that have a detrimental effect on society, not just drugs. If there not helped to stop taking drugs they will just continue to take them and the effects on society will never stop

my cousin same age as me (41) became a heroin addict at 22 yo .. in and out of prision for years, stealing, holding loved ones at knife point for money, break-ins, to feed habit etc etc etc.. tens of thousands spent on rehab.. blah blah... methadone.. he is now in a wheelchair brain damaged from an incident in brixton prison about eight years.. cured of drug addiction dependent on the state huge fecking payout for life based on neglience.. that is justice my frineds.. i love my cousin despite what happen, we all love him, but the drugs in our society has a huge grip.. praying we don't get crystal meth on the streets in London..

Looks like my favored retort to dangerous drivers is under legal threat.
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/8314125.stm

"a law bans "fat-ism"... and stops doctors pressing patients to slim down"

But of course! God forbid a doctor actually suggests that someone lead a healthy lifestyle and lose some weight. Fucking ludicrous IMO.

ban fat people.

Ban the sale of food- that'd do it.

Grow/hunt your own- a return to our roots.

ban pies, fried chicken and doughnuts.

"a law bans "fat-ism"... and stops doctors pressing patients to slim down"

But of course! God forbid a doctor actually suggests that someone lead a healthy lifestyle and lose some weight. Fucking ludicrous IMO.

I might as well top myself all the fun, ridicule and comedy is being taken out of our lives....

They should introduce the laws they have in Sweden where you can only buy a certain amount of alcohol a week. They should do it with food, so fat people can't have kitchens full of pies, biscuits, oven chips and ice cream.

Fucking hell, the worst part is, i'm actually not surprised to hear this. The bit about doctors not being encouraged to tell people to be a healthy weight is amazing though. How about skinny people, how often are people criticized for being too thin, why is there never anything said about reducing that in the media? Why is it that calling someone fat is worse than calling someone skinny? It never made any sense to me.

Of course descriminating against any sort of person is wrong, however if you cannot perform a job adequately, it's hardly descrimination if you don't get it.

They should introduce the laws they have in Sweden where you can only buy a certain amount of alcohol a week. They should do it with food, so fat people can't have kitchens full of pies, biscuits, oven chips and ice cream.

Ahh but what about us cyclists who need more food than non-cyclists? Or that guy Michael Phelps who apparently went through 12,000 calories/day when training. Let people eat too much if they want, let people smoke/drink if they want, it's their body, they know the risk they're taking, it's just a shame that tax-payers money is being wasted on people who knowingly put themselves in these positions where they need healthcare they wouldn't otherwise require.

Of course descriminating against any sort of person is wrong, however if you cannot perform a job adequately, it's hardly descrimination if you don't get it.

Shut it Paddy :p

Why don't we just remove the NHS and implement a private, insurance based health care system? Everyone pays a monthly premium which is based on their current health and lifestyle, so those who live unhealthily pay more.

Why don't we just remove the NHS and implement a private, insurance based health care system? Everyone pays a monthly premium which is based on their current health and lifestyle, so those who live unhealthily pay more.

Definitely agree with this.

Shut it Paddy :p

I don't mind being stereotyped to be honest, we've got a pretty nice stereotype.

those who live unhealthily pay more.

And those who smoke crack will spend the money before the get to pay their monthly insurance installment.

I don't mind being stereotyped to be honest, we've got a pretty nice stereotype.

drunken car bombers?

And those who smoke crack will spend the money before the get to pay their monthly insurance installment.

There's another reason not to smoke crack then.

Fat people are individuals, with one thing in common. The urge to bundle together a disparate group of people just so we can prod them with a judgemental stick is a bit pathetic. Fat doesn't equal lazy, or greedy, or anything, really, except having eaten more calories than you've expended. I don't think we have any right to assume why someone's fat, or really anything about someone on the basis of that one fact.

There's no moral judgement to be made - except by self-righteous idiots who value vanity above everything else, and those who happen, by dumb chance, to have genes that accord with fashion.

that doesn't mean you have no 'free choice'.

I agree. Obesity, along with every other life situation, exists on a continuum.

To a comment on this thread, pot.kettle.black.

Finally some sanity. Well said plurabelle. I would add that the media love to bundle people together in easily identified groups, mainly it seems to pass judgement on them.

I'll stop playing devil's advocate now on healthcare too - everyone in the UK has a right to free healthcare, regardless of their personal circumstance or lifestyle. That's how it should be in my opinion.

Fat people are individuals, with one thing in common. The urge to bundle together a disparate group of people just so we can prod them with a judgemental stick is a bit pathetic. Fat doesn't equal lazy, or greedy, or anything, really, except having eaten more calories than you've expended. I don't think we have any right to assume why someone's fat, or really anything about someone on the basis of that one fact.

There's no moral judgement to be made - except by self-righteous idiots who value vanity above everything else, and those who happen, by dumb chance, to have genes that accord with fashion.

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You're always coming out with the right views to me. Yet another reason why I admire you.

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