My favorite for the road bike (that gets ridden for the long miles). For me it's easily comfortable for 120 (dry) miles with a good set of bib-shorts.
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I find them hard as a rock. I was pretty surprised because I had seen much love for them. I don't use bibs though, maybe that's the reason.
for me it is a Concor or Turbo (though I haven't tried much more, really), I can sit on my bone with any of them, while with the Arione is my perineum that sits.
answering the question: I tried until I found those two.
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I find them hard as a rock. I was pretty surprised because I had seen much love for them. I don't use bibs though, maybe that's the reason.
for me it is a Concor or Turbo (though I haven't tried much more, really), I can sit on my bone with any of them, while with the Arione is my perineum that sits.
answering the question: I tried until I found those two.