• Hi Bill, Thanks for taking the time to reply, I didn't mean to sound ignorant (or arrogant for that matter), and I certainly don't believe that all the incidents could have been avoided by the cyclists involved. I apologise if what I wrote was taken to mean that. Not what I intended at all. Sorry.

    My post was meant to highlight that there are an awful lot of cyclists out there who would benefit from education - whether it's a case of shouting "Mate don't go up there, he's turning left", leaflets or stickers whatever. Just to point out, I'm not implying that those have died were lacking education, this is just an observation I've made. I'm sure everyone on here sees other cyclists putting themselves in vulnerable positions, up the inside of HGVs or vehicles turning left etc. like the vids I posted. It's these people that it would be easy to target and get a message across.

    This by no means relinquishes the HGV diver of a duty of care of other road users around them. Although I can see how the stickers on the back of trucks would been seem to pass the onus of responsility from the HGV to the cyclist, this is not what I had in mind.

    Sadly there will always be incidents when through no fault of the party involved they will end up injured, fatally or otherwise, and that's not saying that no one is to blame either.

    Unfortunately as you pointed out when there is blame, they get naff all punishment, a case in point: http://www.cambridge-news.co.uk/cn_news_home/DisplayArticle.asp?ID=451662

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