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i should be thanking sam for keeping me company on the way back to st mary cray, not the other way around. and as for exedown, well, i've learnt my 84 inch lesson. but now i've got the measure of it i should (just about) be able to make it next time. maybe.
just had two hours of standing around at work this morning and my legs are yet to stop complaining.
but yeah, a ride far stronger than i was expecting, and a lovely outing. thanks all.