Dutch Bike

But one could not do that to such a wubbly bike.

Pashleys are shit.

They're a backwards, awkward company intent on making as much money as possible with as little effort as possible. They put no effort into improving the design or quality of their bicycles. they are a company designed to make 2 people rich.

Their bikes are stupendously annoying, the brakes are shockingly poor, the gears are crap. An unwelcome flashback to an era of poor quality cheap bicycles sold for stupidly unreasonable prices.

I agree with all of that.

Hey, not my idea

edscoble (23:32:17): plus, i'm going to try and make it look crap
edscoble (23:32:23): rusty, sctratch, etc.

Pashleys are shit.

Their bikes are stupendously annoying, the brakes are shockingly poor, the gears are crap. An unwelcome flashback to an era of poor quality cheap bicycles sold for stupidly unreasonable prices.

Having read your thought on Pashleys, I went back to check their website on what the spec of their cheapest Roadster is, and at nearly £500, it's shockingly poor, the only way I can get a Pashleys with similar or identical specification to the Dutchie I've just brought, is the Roadster Sovereign costing a sheer £575, the only thing that seperate the Pashley from the Dutchie is the Brooks saddle.

It's a lots of money for an old bike, despite how comfortable it is to ride on.

Pashleys are shit.

They're a backwards, awkward company intent on making as much money as possible with as little effort as possible. They put no effort into improving the design or quality of their bicycles. they are a company designed to make 2 people rich.

Their bikes are stupendously annoying, the brakes are shockingly poor, the gears are crap. An unwelcome flashback to an era of poor quality cheap bicycles sold for stupidly unreasonable prices.

You are Lord Haw Haw, and I claim my £5.oo.

nice looking ride, but not my bag. certainly wouldn't leave it out in the cold if someone offered it to me though. nice buy,

The reason the Pashleys cost so much is because they are hand-made in England. Most, if not all, dutch bikes are factory-produced in Asia - either India or the far-east, probably China. Having said that the designed-in quality is no better and they are much poorer quality frames than an old Raleigh tourer.

Ed, nice bike, but get a sprung Brooks saddle on there quickly. and Lock 7 cycles will do you some nice cheap leather grips to match. The rear reflector on the rack looks bent in a bit - bend it back out and the stand will clear it. It should also clear the light on the mudguard. Maybe you can lower the mudguard a bit. My girlfriend's bobbin has exactly the same rack and rear light and it has no problems.

Here's my comfy sorta Dutch-style Surl.

Relaxed geo, 700x28 tyres, Humpert bars &
Shimano Coaster ftw

That would be extremely simular to mine.

Wait....I think I know who this is....and if I'm right, let me tell you I'm not amused.

http://www.oldskoolhooligansbikes.co.uk/

that surly is pretty close to what i've done as well. My bars are just plain 8" risers with a mad sweep, though. I'm literally sitting up straight. Nice to have the comfort for lallygagging and still be able to move pretty quickly if i'm in a hurry. It's a do all bike.

edit... i also threw 35mm tires on it with a smidge of tread for scooting across dirt and grass and such,

http://www.oldskoolhooligansbikes.co.uk/

It probably not very durable (chain snappage), and likely to get stolen easily just because it's orange and got white tyres and look like a fixie skidder.

where's the mudguard? the rack? the dynamo light? the chain guard? the front hubs brake?

all this add up and you might as well get a Dutchie, or a Kona Africa bike even;

i'm with ed on this one

Nice bike Ed, is that one from the guy near Maida Vale (he's got his bikes on Gumtree a lot).
For the ultimate riding comfort can I suggest a Lepper saddle (not my choice for a brand name).

No it's from them;

http://www.dutchie.co.uk/

and I'm getting the saddle replaced by those Velo plush saddle, cheap and comfty.

It probably not very durable (chain snappage), and likely to get stolen easily just because it's orange and got white tyres and look like a fixie skidder.

where's the mudguard? the rack? the dynamo light? the chain guard? the front hubs brake?

all this add up and you might as well get a Dutchie, or a Kona Africa bike even;

Very true.

On the subject of racks, anyone know where I could get one like this?

im not really into these dutch bikes, they all look too goofy for me and i dont find upright riding positions comfortable at all.

with that said my Raleigh SA roadster is nice to ride, i much prefer it to all the dutch bikes ive seen. but id never ride it further than 10miles, its just too slow, heavy and uncomfortable.

Very true.

On the subject of racks, anyone know where I could get one like this?

search 'basket' and you'll get your result.

The general consulation of that rack is that it appear a bit risky since all the weight is on the handlebar/stem rather than on the fork.

search 'basket' and you'll get your result.

The general consulation of that rack is that it appear a bit risky since all the weight is on the handlebar/stem rather than on the fork.

I thought they looked awesome, but same conclusion - fill them up with anything heavy and the strain is in all the wrong places.

I've been keeping an eye out for the perfect rack for an age - haven't seen it yet. The integrated one for the Kronan's is super, so is the Paul one, but there's something wrong with all of them.

Seems like this year there are going to be lots of hybrids with snazzy racks, but that's too easy/dull.

The best one I've seen, and the most affordable is the Wald one (between £10-20), they're perfectly functional and look pretty nice, sadly only sold in the US, I'm hoping SJS Cycles will bring them over;

http://www.waldsports.com/index.cfm/wald157basket.html

I got my Dutchie (sample) a month ago from before the importers started trading commercially - and it is brilliantly solid. The rear wheel guards want to come off sometimes, but it is beautiful to ride. enjoy!

yeah I have that trouble too, sort it out with a couple duct tape and no problem.

The best one I've seen, and the most affordable is the Wald one (between £10-20), they're perfectly functional and look pretty nice, sadly only sold in the US, I'm hoping SJS Cycles will bring them over;

http://www.waldsports.com/index.cfm/wald157basket.html

I wish i could say otherwise, but Wald's suck. if you use them regularly, they don't last longer then 5-7 months until they start breaking. I had the largest delivery basket, in the black mesh material. Supposed to be durable and functional. It was VERY loud from day one, and then after about 3 months of groceries and such, started to really kick the bucket.

^ nice dutchie ed, looks perfect for a bit of sunday afternoon cruising around town.

also liking the look of that surly. I just really like surly's. geek.

The vig dutch brands today: gazelle, batavus and koga miyata make rubisch bicyles. All frames are from china and put quicky together in a factory without any imagination. Also most bikes have front suspension and there is a heavy trend for electrical bikes here. You can pick up a bike second hand but the Dutch leave there bikes outside night and day do not care about maintenance. You can image how a bike looks after 3 years. I can recommend a handmade bike "Het Nieuwe Werck", a local bikeshop at the westerstraat in Amsterdam. Nice guy, good product. http://www.hetnieuwewerck.nl/producten.html I´ve one for 4 years with childseat at the back, heavy steel chainring and steel cargo unit at the front. Never lets me down. It is a SS which I suspect weights about 90 Lbs. I can not pick it up, too heavy. You do not want to crash into my bike, you won´t survive, it stops for nothing.