Action Group Meeting - cycling deaths caused by lorries

On a similar Policing theme; I don't know how much involvement LCC and others have with the police in terms of accident prevention but I sure the Roads Policing departments of the London forces may be interested in having an input.

The City of London Police, at least, are clearly aware of the problem of HGVs. It may be useful trying to contact Inspector Mountford and his Met counterpart.

Just a thought...

I live up north and commute to work by bike.
Thankfully road conditions here are not as bad as London.
I've been heart broken when reading about these tragedies on the forum.

It seems to me we need a national TV led campaign akin to the one that the government ran in the early 80s when compulsory seat belt wearing was introduced. These featured Jimmy Saville and the "Clunk click every trip" strapline. I remember these being shown ad nausaum at the time as a way of drumming the message home. I was reminded of them by a recent article on the BBC website.

I think it needs to be a national campaign, stuff thats happening in London now happens in the rest of the country sooner or later. Cycle use is on the increase up and down the country.

On a similar Policing theme; I don't know how much involvement LCC and others have with the police in terms of accident prevention but I sure the Roads Policing departments of the London forces may be interested in having an input.

The City of London Police, at least, are clearly aware of the problem of HGVs. It may be useful trying to contact Inspector Mountford and his Met counterpart.

Just a thought...

Yes, the problem is even though your man says ""This year the capital has already seen four cyclists lose their lives. We have to continue to educate all road users in the hope that injuries and deaths will be reduced."
All the keep doing is 'educating cyclists'. I dont see any measures to educate drivers, or construction companies, or haulage companies. Implicit in that is the inherent and ubiquitous assumption that it is the cyclsits fault. Look at all the action in this area, I have seen nothing that is not aimed at cyclists.
Working group - Focus of govt action....

1. K-tee - construction industry and policy
   
2. Ufrasia - Media, Lobbying.
   
3. Greasy - Admin for Ghostbike.uk and CycleSafeLondon
   
4. Skully - AV post production
   
5. Pistanator
   
6. Libi - Media
   
7. CrazyJames - Photography, with contacts in web design/graphic design/branding etc available if needed.
   
8. Multigrooves - Cycletrainer
   
9. Damo
   
10. Georgieboy
    
11. Twist305 (apologies) - Citizens Advice Bureau head office
    
12. Digger-Cycle Instructor (apologies)
    
13. Velocio (apologies) LFGSS, CycleSafeLondon
    
14. Wicksie - graphic design, printing, anything to help, make the tea if need be.
    
15. tomiskinky - Graphic Designer
    
16. Chang - Graphic/motion/web/digital design i've got alot of mates that work in marketing/PR could get some media coverage.
    
17. CheBeef - Work at Law Firm (litigation)
    
18. havingamare - photographer
    
19. loftypavement - student
    
20. williamshatnerpants
    
21. Aroogah - IT Services Exec - commercial, strategic, legal
    
22. CHUG_IT (won't be there but..) Barristers of the highest level
    
23. LdnGrrl. - Lots of free time, will help in any way needed
    
24. nuknow - Graphic Design
    
25. Fox - (can't do Tues, could do Wed) marketing/campaigning/PR/lobbying experience
    
26. ftony (apol for mtg + not much free time but...) geographer (access to maps, journals, skilled in spatial analysis etc)
    
27. villa-ru - currently unemployed with plenty of free time and prior experience of herding cats
    
28. G_A_Z - Film Editor
    
29. Ade - Exhibition / Event/ set design and build (access to AV/lighting/sound equipment if required )
    
30. chatters
    
31. Wannabe (apologies) barrister (including crime / road traffic)
    
32. JimboJones (apologies) political campaigning, PR
    
33. Oliver Schick (LCC)
    
34. Tea_bee
    
35. jurivacanze1984
    
36. big in the game - safety engineer
    
37. Timmy
    
38. GA2G - security design (not so useful here though)
    
39. Seak - transport campaigner, media, direct action and 'non-heirarchical meetings facilitator' (e.g. Camp for Climate Action type wavy hands stuff)
    
40. Chats - Media trainee and cycleophile
    
41. Ode. Project Manager- Prince2
    
42. Sparky - Cycling journalist & has space on fourth plinth coming up
    
43. Emilia - copywriting and minor campaigning experience; cycle courier
    
44. Anna
    
45. Fred - agitator
    
46. Kipsy - cartographer (not much use here, can help with 'free' colour laser printing/large format plotting, any other grunt stuff.
    
47. Debra - cycle campaigner
    
48. Dasmiller - design
    
49. texas - transport planner
    
50. Coshgirl - copywriter - contacts inside city hall
    

1. K-tee - construction industry and policy
   
2. Ufrasia - Media, Lobbying.
   
3. Greasy - Admin for Ghostbike.uk and CycleSafeLondon
   
4. Skully - AV post production
   
5. Pistanator
   
6. Libi - Media
   
7. CrazyJames - Photography, with contacts in web design/graphic design/branding etc available if needed.
   
8. Multigrooves - Cycletrainer
   
9. Damo
   
10. Georgieboy
    
11. Twist305 (apologies) - Citizens Advice Bureau head office
    
12. Digger-Cycle Instructor (apologies)
    
13. Velocio (apologies) LFGSS, CycleSafeLondon
    
14. Wicksie - graphic design, printing, anything to help, make the tea if need be.
    
15. tomiskinky - Graphic Designer
    
16. Chang - Graphic/motion/web/digital design i've got alot of mates that work in marketing/PR could get some media coverage.
    
17. CheBeef - Work at Law Firm (litigation)
    
18. havingamare - photographer
    
19. loftypavement - student
    
20. williamshatnerpants
    
21. Aroogah - IT Services Exec - commercial, strategic, legal
    
22. CHUG_IT (won't be there but..) Barristers of the highest level
    
23. LdnGrrl. - Lots of free time, will help in any way needed
    
24. nuknow - Graphic Design
    
25. Fox - (can't do Tues, could do Wed) marketing/campaigning/PR/lobbying experience
    
26. ftony (apol for mtg + not much free time but...) geographer (access to maps, journals, skilled in spatial analysis etc)
    
27. villa-ru - currently unemployed with plenty of free time and prior experience of herding cats
    
28. G_A_Z - Film Editor
    
29. Ade - Exhibition / Event/ set design and build (access to AV/lighting/sound equipment if required )
    
30. chatters
    
31. Wannabe (apologies) barrister (including crime / road traffic)
    
32. JimboJones (apologies) political campaigning, PR
    
33. Oliver Schick (LCC)
    
34. Tea_bee
    
35. jurivacanze1984
    
36. big in the game - safety engineer
    
37. Timmy
    
38. GA2G - security design (not so useful here though)
    
39. Seak - transport campaigner, media, direct action and 'non-heirarchical meetings facilitator' (e.g. Camp for Climate Action type wavy hands stuff)
    
40. Chats - Media trainee and cycleophile
    
41. Ode. Project Manager- Prince2
    
42. Sparky - Cycling journalist & has space on fourth plinth coming up
    
43. Emilia - copywriting and minor campaigning experience; cycle courier
    
44. Anna
    
45. Fred - agitator
    
46. Kipsy - cartographer (not much use here, can help with 'free' colour laser printing/large format plotting, any other grunt stuff.
    
47. Debra - cycle campaigner
    
48. Dasmiller - design
    
49. texas - transport planner
    
50. Coshgirl - copywriter - contacts inside city hall
    
51. redrider
    

1. K-tee - construction industry and policy
   
2. Ufrasia - Media, Lobbying.
   
3. Greasy - Admin for Ghostbike.uk and CycleSafeLondon
   
4. Skully - AV post production
   
5. Pistanator
   
6. Libi - Media
   
7. CrazyJames - Photography, with contacts in web design/graphic design/branding etc available if needed.
   
8. Multigrooves - Cycletrainer
   
9. Damo
   
10. Georgieboy
    
11. Twist305 (apologies) - Citizens Advice Bureau head office
    
12. Digger-Cycle Instructor (apologies)
    
13. Velocio (apologies) LFGSS, CycleSafeLondon
    
14. Wicksie - graphic design, printing, anything to help, make the tea if need be.
    
15. tomiskinky - Graphic Designer
    
16. Chang - Graphic/motion/web/digital design i've got alot of mates that work in marketing/PR could get some media coverage.
    
17. CheBeef - Work at Law Firm (litigation)
    
18. havingamare - photographer
    
19. loftypavement - student
    
20. williamshatnerpants
    
21. Aroogah - IT Services Exec - commercial, strategic, legal
    
22. CHUG_IT (won't be there but..) Barristers of the highest level
    
23. LdnGrrl. - Lots of free time, will help in any way needed
    
24. nuknow - Graphic Design
    
25. Fox - (can't do Tues, could do Wed) marketing/campaigning/PR/lobbying experience
    
26. ftony (apol for mtg + not much free time but...) geographer (access to maps, journals, skilled in spatial analysis etc)
    
27. villa-ru - currently unemployed with plenty of free time and prior experience of herding cats
    
28. G_A_Z - Film Editor
    
29. Ade - Exhibition / Event/ set design and build (access to AV/lighting/sound equipment if required )
    
30. chatters
    
31. Wannabe (apologies) barrister (including crime / road traffic)
    
32. JimboJones (apologies) political campaigning, PR
    
33. Oliver Schick (LCC)
    
34. Tea_bee
    
35. jurivacanze1984
    
36. big in the game - safety engineer
    
37. Timmy
    
38. GA2G - security design (not so useful here though)
    
39. Seak - transport campaigner, media, direct action and 'non-heirarchical meetings facilitator' (e.g. Camp for Climate Action type wavy hands stuff)
    
40. Chats - Media trainee and cycleophile
    
41. Ode. Project Manager- Prince2
    
42. Sparky - Cycling journalist & has space on fourth plinth coming up
    
43. Emilia - copywriting and minor campaigning experience; cycle courier
    
44. Anna
    
45. Fred - agitator
    
46. Kipsy - cartographer (not much use here, can help with 'free' colour laser printing/large format plotting, any other grunt stuff.
    
47. Debra - cycle campaigner
    
48. Dasmiller - design
    
49. texas - transport planner
    
50. Coshgirl - copywriter - contacts inside city hall
    
51. redrider
    
52. BigFatAl - teacher, educational resources, possibly able to provide venue for meetings
    

hows about the sticker campaign but not on lamp post, why not the backs of lorries?

then any cyclist behind it might think about getting to close

what you think?

saw the back of a lorry where someone had written in the dirt on the left of it 'suicide', and was a little puzzled - looked over to the right side and saw 'overtaking side' - n thought that was a really cool, useful thing to do. A comp to get schoolkids n teenagers to design stickers to raise t profile might be good. I'm a lecturer in Art and Design and a would-be illustrator, and have no useful political skills or contacts, but will come anyway, just in case.

1. K-tee - construction industry and policy
   
2. Ufrasia - Media, Lobbying.
   
3. Greasy - Admin for Ghostbike.uk and CycleSafeLondon
   
4. Skully - AV post production
   
5. Pistanator
   
6. Libi - Media
   
7. CrazyJames - Photography, with contacts in web design/graphic design/branding etc available if needed.
   
8. Multigrooves - Cycletrainer
   
9. Damo
   
10. Georgieboy
    
11. Twist305 (apologies) - Citizens Advice Bureau head office
    
12. Digger-Cycle Instructor (apologies)
    
13. Velocio (apologies) LFGSS, CycleSafeLondon
    
14. Wicksie - graphic design, printing, anything to help, make the tea if need be.
    
15. tomiskinky - Graphic Designer
    
16. Chang - Graphic/motion/web/digital design i've got alot of mates that work in marketing/PR could get some media coverage.
    
17. CheBeef - Work at Law Firm (litigation)
    
18. havingamare - photographer
    
19. loftypavement - student
    
20. williamshatnerpants
    
21. Aroogah - IT Services Exec - commercial, strategic, legal
    
22. CHUG_IT (won't be there but..) Barristers of the highest level
    
23. LdnGrrl. - Lots of free time, will help in any way needed
    
24. nuknow - Graphic Design
    
25. Fox - (can't do Tues, could do Wed) marketing/campaigning/PR/lobbying experience
    
26. ftony (apol for mtg + not much free time but...) geographer (access to maps, journals, skilled in spatial analysis etc)
    
27. villa-ru - currently unemployed with plenty of free time and prior experience of herding cats
    
28. G_A_Z - Film Editor
    
29. Ade - Exhibition / Event/ set design and build (access to AV/lighting/sound equipment if required )
    
30. chatters
    
31. Wannabe (apologies) barrister (including crime / road traffic)
    
32. JimboJones (apologies) political campaigning, PR
    
33. Oliver Schick (LCC)
    
34. Tea_bee
    
35. jurivacanze1984
    
36. big in the game - safety engineer
    
37. Timmy
    
38. GA2G - security design (not so useful here though)
    
39. Seak - transport campaigner, media, direct action and 'non-heirarchical meetings facilitator' (e.g. Camp for Climate Action type wavy hands stuff)
    
40. Chats - Media trainee and cycleophile
    
41. Ode. Project Manager- Prince2
    
42. Sparky - Cycling journalist & has space on fourth plinth coming up
    
43. Emilia - copywriting and minor campaigning experience; cycle courier
    
44. Anna
    
45. Fred - agitator
    
46. Kipsy - cartographer (not much use here, can help with 'free' colour laser printing/large format plotting, any other grunt stuff.
    
47. Debra - cycle campaigner
    
48. Dasmiller - design
    
49. texas - transport planner
    
50. Coshgirl - copywriter - contacts inside city hall
    
51. redrider
    
52. BigFatAl - teacher, educational resources, possibly able to provide venue for meetings
    
53. Josephine - lecturer/illustrator, can draw stuff and knows lots of students
    

I live up north and commute to work by bike.
Thankfully road conditions here are not as bad as London.
I've been heart broken when reading about these tragedies on the forum.

It seems to me we need a national TV led campaign.....

http://www.amygillett.org.au/
There is pink link in a box at the bottom 'view TV commercial'. This is a group in Australia. If only we could come up with something like they have.

I know it would be a bit down the line but if you need any sound or music for ads and such like I'm your man.

1. K-tee - construction industry and policy
   
2. Ufrasia - Media, Lobbying.
   
3. Greasy - Admin for Ghostbike.uk and CycleSafeLondon
   
4. Skully - AV post production
   
5. Pistanator
   
6. Libi - Media
   
7. CrazyJames - Photography, with contacts in web design/graphic design/branding etc available if needed.
   
8. Multigrooves - Cycletrainer
   
9. Damo
   
10. Georgieboy
    
11. Twist305 (apologies) - Citizens Advice Bureau head office
    
12. Digger-Cycle Instructor (apologies)
    
13. Velocio (apologies) LFGSS, CycleSafeLondon
    
14. Wicksie - graphic design, printing, anything to help, make the tea if need be.
    
15. tomiskinky - Graphic Designer
    
16. Chang - Graphic/motion/web/digital design i've got alot of mates that work in marketing/PR could get some media coverage.
    
17. CheBeef - Work at Law Firm (litigation)
    
18. havingamare - photographer
    
19. loftypavement - student
    
20. williamshatnerpants
    
21. Aroogah - IT Services Exec - commercial, strategic, legal
    
22. CHUG_IT (won't be there but..) Barristers of the highest level
    
23. LdnGrrl. - Lots of free time, will help in any way needed
    
24. nuknow - Graphic Design
    
25. Fox - (can't do Tues, could do Wed) marketing/campaigning/PR/lobbying experience
    
26. ftony (apol for mtg + not much free time but...) geographer (access to maps, journals, skilled in spatial analysis etc)
    
27. villa-ru - currently unemployed with plenty of free time and prior experience of herding cats
    
28. G_A_Z - Film Editor
    
29. Ade - Exhibition / Event/ set design and build (access to AV/lighting/sound equipment if required )
    
30. chatters
    
31. Wannabe (apologies) barrister (including crime / road traffic)
    
32. JimboJones (apologies) political campaigning, PR
    
33. Oliver Schick (LCC)
    
34. Tea_bee
    
35. jurivacanze1984
    
36. big in the game - safety engineer
    
37. Timmy
    
38. GA2G - security design (not so useful here though)
    
39. Seak - transport campaigner, media, direct action and 'non-heirarchical meetings facilitator' (e.g. Camp for Climate Action type wavy hands stuff)
    
40. Chats - Media trainee and cycleophile
    
41. Ode. Project Manager- Prince2
    
42. Sparky - Cycling journalist & has space on fourth plinth coming up
    
43. Emilia - copywriting and minor campaigning experience; cycle courier
    
44. Anna
    
45. Fred - agitator
    
46. Kipsy - cartographer (not much use here, can help with 'free' colour laser printing/large format plotting, any other grunt stuff.
    
47. Debra - cycle campaigner
    
48. Dasmiller - design
    
49. texas - transport planner
    
50. Coshgirl - copywriter - contacts inside city hall
    
51. redrider
    
52. BigFatAl - teacher, educational resources, possibly able to provide venue for meetings
    
53. Josephine - lecturer/illustrator, can draw stuff and knows lots of students
    
54. mr lunch - media sound.
    

On a similar Policing theme; I don't know how much involvement LCC and others have with the police in terms of accident prevention but I sure the Roads Policing departments of the London forces may be interested in having an input.

The City of London Police, at least, are clearly aware of the problem of HGVs. It may be useful trying to contact Inspector Mountford and his Met counterpart.

Just a thought...

I really want people to be aware that Weds death was not caused by an HGV, but a 7.5 ton truck, driven on a normal car licence...

I am afraid that I cannot come to next week's meeting but am happy to give whatever help or advice I can.

i see from lushes post the solution 'fresnal lenses' will help....i'm spetical and sounds like bit of a media stunt to me. at a couple of quid each it is not really a intregrated apporach to solving the problem. also research in denmark (serious about this problem) showed that a good % of accidents were asscioated with driver being unaware over being unable to see. potentially, it could be argued that these are good 'media spin' items which are cheap. and more serious solution would be http://www.see-mi.dk/ or similar. are not we arguing that the solutions proposed by DfT / TfL...etc are not good enough as the problem is growing?? therefore they need to dedicate more resources - and the message it 'what you're doing is not good enough so try harder...cyclists are still being killed'

Fresnel lenses aren't bad as a quick fix but of course more is needed. There is an EU standard for mirrors which a lot of sustained campaigning by the HGV group (chaired by LCC and involving RoadPeace, CTC, Living Streets) has helped become law, although it was watered down in the UK not to apply to lorries registered pre-2000. All aimed at both prevention and, in the less likely event of a collision, aimed at assisting in clearly establishing fault.

hi, its you, glad you are on this forum. that map is excellent. (although eilidh features twice on the left....?) she always did merit and extra mention... ;)

Sort of fixed - Eilidh is there once now. Have also added you as a collaborator on the map.

I know a couple of feds who cycle (one rides fixed) so I could speak to them regarding said campaign...

please add me to the list though with apologies as I'm back in hospital on Tuesday. I'll help in anyway I can both as a TV Editor amd as someone with first hand experience of lorries turning left....

I know it would be a bit down the line but if you need any sound or music for ads and such like I'm your man.

1. K-tee - construction industry and policy
   
2. Ufrasia - Media, Lobbying.
   
3. Greasy - Admin for Ghostbike.uk and CycleSafeLondon
   
4. Skully - AV post production
   
5. Pistanator
   
6. Libi - Media
   
7. CrazyJames - Photography, with contacts in web design/graphic design/branding etc available if needed.
   
8. Multigrooves - Cycletrainer
   
9. Damo
   
10. Georgieboy
    
11. Twist305 (apologies) - Citizens Advice Bureau head office
    
12. Digger-Cycle Instructor (apologies)
    
13. Velocio (apologies) LFGSS, CycleSafeLondon
    
14. Wicksie - graphic design, printing, anything to help, make the tea if need be.
    
15. tomiskinky - Graphic Designer
    
16. Chang - Graphic/motion/web/digital design i've got alot of mates that work in marketing/PR could get some media coverage.
    
17. CheBeef - Work at Law Firm (litigation)
    
18. havingamare - photographer
    
19. loftypavement - student
    
20. williamshatnerpants
    
21. Aroogah - IT Services Exec - commercial, strategic, legal
    
22. CHUG_IT (won't be there but..) Barristers of the highest level
    
23. LdnGrrl. - Lots of free time, will help in any way needed
    
24. nuknow - Graphic Design
    
25. Fox - (can't do Tues, could do Wed) marketing/campaigning/PR/lobbying experience
    
26. ftony (apol for mtg + not much free time but...) geographer (access to maps, journals, skilled in spatial analysis etc)
    
27. villa-ru - currently unemployed with plenty of free time and prior experience of herding cats
    
28. G_A_Z - Film Editor
    
29. Ade - Exhibition / Event/ set design and build (access to AV/lighting/sound equipment if required )
    
30. chatters
    
31. Wannabe (apologies) barrister (including crime / road traffic)
    
32. JimboJones (apologies) political campaigning, PR
    
33. Oliver Schick (LCC)
    
34. Tea_bee
    
35. jurivacanze1984
    
36. big in the game - safety engineer
    
37. Timmy
    
38. GA2G - security design (not so useful here though)
    
39. Seak - transport campaigner, media, direct action and 'non-heirarchical meetings facilitator' (e.g. Camp for Climate Action type wavy hands stuff)
    
40. Chats - Media trainee and cycleophile
    
41. Ode. Project Manager- Prince2
    
42. Sparky - Cycling journalist & has space on fourth plinth coming up
    
43. Emilia - copywriting and minor campaigning experience; cycle courier
    
44. Anna
    
45. Fred - agitator
    
46. Kipsy - cartographer (not much use here, can help with 'free' colour laser printing/large format plotting, any other grunt stuff.
    
47. Debra - cycle campaigner
    
48. Dasmiller - design
    
49. texas - transport planner
    
50. Coshgirl - copywriter - contacts inside city hall
    
51. redrider
    
52. BigFatAl - teacher, educational resources, possibly able to provide venue for meetings
    
53. Josephine - lecturer/illustrator, can draw stuff and knows lots of students
    
54. mr lunch - media sound.
    

saw the back of a lorry where someone had written in the dirt on the left of it 'suicide', and was a little puzzled - looked over to the right side and saw 'overtaking side' - n thought that was a really cool, useful thing to do. A comp to get schoolkids n teenagers to design stickers to raise t profile might be good. I'm a lecturer in Art and Design and a would-be illustrator, and have no useful political skills or contacts, but will come anyway, just in case.

There are a few variances on this apppearing on trucks now. I assume it is down to the individual haulage company. There was (lengthy) discussion about this and different messages put forward on the first HGV thread last year.
I still think they are a cheap and pretty effective measure that at least makes the cyclist more aware, if not solving any of the other issues.

There are a few variances on this apppearing on trucks now. I assume it is down to the individual haulage company. There was (lengthy) discussion about this and different messages put forward on the first HGV thread last year.
I still think they are a cheap and pretty effective measure that at least makes the cyclist more aware, if not solving any of the other issues.

I would agree, we have all learned through experience the vunerable road positions but it's not obvious to those starting out. I would be interested to see a comparison of motor cyclist deaths due to HGVs (a group that has undertaken relatively comprehensive training).

To avoid putting all the responsibilty on the cyclist for their safety, it would need to be backed up by HGV driver training. Take the point of view of a HGV driver, they are probably unfamilar with the road layout (they do not have regular commute) and while they may have had training and gained experience driving on A roads and motorways and even other cites, London traffic is very different (tight clearances, many cyclists passing both sides).

One of my cycle paramedics rides a fixy and told me you guys are mobilising yourselves. I am working on various cycle safety issues already and would like to help. Riding has been my life and have seen much death and know we can stop it. Tom Lynch MBE (google me)

1. K-tee - construction industry and policy
   
2. Ufrasia - Media, Lobbying.
   
3. Greasy - Admin for Ghostbike.uk and CycleSafeLondon
   
4. Skully - AV post production
   
5. Pistanator
   
6. Libi - Media
   
7. CrazyJames - Photography, with contacts in web design/graphic design/branding etc available if needed.
   
8. Multigrooves - Cycletrainer
   
9. Damo
   
10. Georgieboy
    
11. Twist305 (apologies) - Citizens Advice Bureau head office
    
12. Digger-Cycle Instructor (apologies)
    
13. Velocio (apologies) LFGSS, CycleSafeLondon
    
14. Wicksie - graphic design, printing, anything to help, make the tea if need be.
    
15. tomiskinky - Graphic Designer
    
16. Chang - Graphic/motion/web/digital design i've got alot of mates that work in marketing/PR could get some media coverage.
    
17. CheBeef - Work at Law Firm (litigation)
    
18. havingamare - photographer
    
19. loftypavement - student
    
20. williamshatnerpants
    
21. Aroogah - IT Services Exec - commercial, strategic, legal
    
22. CHUG_IT (won't be there but..) Barristers of the highest level
    
23. LdnGrrl. - Lots of free time, will help in any way needed
    
24. nuknow - Graphic Design
    
25. Fox - (can't do Tues, could do Wed) marketing/campaigning/PR/lobbying experience
    
26. ftony (apol for mtg + not much free time but...) geographer (access to maps, journals, skilled in spatial analysis etc)
    
27. villa-ru - currently unemployed with plenty of free time and prior experience of herding cats
    
28. G_A_Z - Film Editor
    
29. Ade - Exhibition / Event/ set design and build (access to AV/lighting/sound equipment if required )
    
30. chatters
    
31. Wannabe (apologies) barrister (including crime / road traffic)
    
32. JimboJones (apologies) political campaigning, PR
    
33. Oliver Schick (LCC)
    
34. Tea_bee
    
35. jurivacanze1984
    
36. big in the game - safety engineer
    
37. Timmy
    
38. GA2G - security design (not so useful here though)
    
39. Seak - transport campaigner, media, direct action and 'non-heirarchical meetings facilitator' (e.g. Camp for Climate Action type wavy hands stuff)
    
40. Chats - Media trainee and cycleophile
    
41. Ode. Project Manager- Prince2
    
42. Sparky - Cycling journalist & has space on fourth plinth coming up
    
43. Emilia - copywriting and minor campaigning experience; cycle courier
    
44. Anna
    
45. Fred - agitator
    
46. Kipsy - cartographer (not much use here, can help with 'free' colour laser printing/large format plotting, any other grunt stuff.
    
47. Debra - cycle campaigner
    
48. Dasmiller - design
    
49. texas - transport planner
    
50. Coshgirl - copywriter - contacts inside city hall
    
51. redrider
    
52. BigFatAl - teacher, educational resources, possibly able to provide venue for meetings
    
53. Josephine - lecturer/illustrator, can draw stuff and knows lots of students
    
54. mr lunch - media sound.
    
55. Tom Lynch MBE- (for cycling of course)
    

One of my cycle paramedics rides a fixy and told me you guys are mobilising yourselves. I am working on various cycle safety issues already and would like to help. Riding has been my life and have seen much death and know we can stop it. Tom Lynch MBE (google me)

Tom, it's brilliant that you're on here. I'm a great admirer of your work.

I'm going to ask some of my Melbourne friends if they have any suggestions.

One was on the board of Bicycling Victoria and the other has been heavily involved in cycling advocacy for ages. Some suggestions from them might be useful.

Ministers are toying with the idea of shifting the burden of proof to drivers.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/politics/article6841326.ece

Great news.

please add me to the list though with apologies as I'm back in hospital on Tuesday. I'll help in anyway I can both as a TV Editor amd as someone with first hand experience of lorries turning left....

I'll do it for you

1. K-tee - construction industry and policy
   
2. Ufrasia - Media, Lobbying.
   
3. Greasy - Admin for Ghostbike.uk and CycleSafeLondon
   
4. Skully - AV post production
   
5. Pistanator
   
6. Libi - Media
   
7. CrazyJames - Photography, with contacts in web design/graphic design/branding etc available if needed.
   
8. Multigrooves - Cycletrainer
   
9. Damo
   
10. Georgieboy
    
11. Twist305 (apologies) - Citizens Advice Bureau head office
    
12. Digger-Cycle Instructor (apologies)
    
13. Velocio (apologies) LFGSS, CycleSafeLondon
    
14. Wicksie - graphic design, printing, anything to help, make the tea if need be.
    
15. tomiskinky - Graphic Designer
    
16. Chang - Graphic/motion/web/digital design i've got alot of mates that work in marketing/PR could get some media coverage.
    
17. CheBeef - Work at Law Firm (litigation)
    
18. havingamare - photographer
    
19. loftypavement - student
    
20. williamshatnerpants
    
21. Aroogah - IT Services Exec - commercial, strategic, legal
    
22. CHUG_IT (won't be there but..) Barristers of the highest level
    
23. LdnGrrl. - Lots of free time, will help in any way needed
    
24. nuknow - Graphic Design
    
25. Fox - (can't do Tues, could do Wed) marketing/campaigning/PR/lobbying experience
    
26. ftony (apol for mtg + not much free time but...) geographer (access to maps, journals, skilled in spatial analysis etc)
    
27. villa-ru - currently unemployed with plenty of free time and prior experience of herding cats
    
28. G_A_Z - Film Editor
    
29. Ade - Exhibition / Event/ set design and build (access to AV/lighting/sound equipment if required )
    
30. chatters
    
31. Wannabe (apologies) barrister (including crime / road traffic)
    
32. JimboJones (apologies) political campaigning, PR
    
33. Oliver Schick (LCC)
    
34. Tea_bee
    
35. jurivacanze1984
    
36. big in the game - safety engineer
    
37. Timmy
    
38. GA2G - security design (not so useful here though)
    
39. Seak - transport campaigner, media, direct action and 'non-heirarchical meetings facilitator' (e.g. Camp for Climate Action type wavy hands stuff)
    
40. Chats - Media trainee and cycleophile
    
41. Ode. Project Manager- Prince2
    
42. Sparky - Cycling journalist & has space on fourth plinth coming up
    
43. Emilia - copywriting and minor campaigning experience; cycle courier
    
44. Anna
    
45. Fred - agitator
    
46. Kipsy - cartographer (not much use here, can help with 'free' colour laser printing/large format plotting, any other grunt stuff.
    
47. Debra - cycle campaigner
    
48. Dasmiller - design
    
49. texas - transport planner
    
50. Coshgirl - copywriter - contacts inside city hall
    
51. redrider
    
52. BigFatAl - teacher, educational resources, possibly able to provide venue for meetings
    
53. Josephine - lecturer/illustrator, can draw stuff and knows lots of students
    
54. mr lunch - media sound.
    
55. Tom Lynch MBE- (for cycling of course)
    
56. bigbadad - TV Editor/Experience with lorries turning left.
    

1. K-tee - construction industry and policy
   
2. Ufrasia - Media, Lobbying.
   
3. Greasy - Admin for Ghostbike.uk and CycleSafeLondon
   
4. Skully - AV post production
   
5. Pistanator
   
6. Libi - Media
   
7. CrazyJames - Photography, with contacts in web design/graphic design/branding etc available if needed.
   
8. Multigrooves - Cycletrainer
   
9. Damo
   
10. Georgieboy
    
11. Twist305 (apologies) - Citizens Advice Bureau head office
    
12. Digger-Cycle Instructor (apologies)
    
13. Velocio (apologies) LFGSS, CycleSafeLondon
    
14. Wicksie - graphic design, printing, anything to help, make the tea if need be.
    
15. tomiskinky - Graphic Designer
    
16. Chang - Graphic/motion/web/digital design i've got alot of mates that work in marketing/PR could get some media coverage.
    
17. CheBeef - Work at Law Firm (litigation)
    
18. havingamare - photographer
    
19. loftypavement - student
    
20. williamshatnerpants
    
21. Aroogah - IT Services Exec - commercial, strategic, legal
    
22. CHUG_IT (won't be there but..) Barristers of the highest level
    
23. LdnGrrl. - Lots of free time, will help in any way needed
    
24. nuknow - Graphic Design
    
25. Fox - (can't do Tues, could do Wed) marketing/campaigning/PR/lobbying experience
    
26. ftony (apol for mtg + not much free time but...) geographer (access to maps, journals, skilled in spatial analysis etc)
    
27. villa-ru - currently unemployed with plenty of free time and prior experience of herding cats
    
28. G_A_Z - Film Editor
    
29. Ade - Exhibition / Event/ set design and build (access to AV/lighting/sound equipment if required )
    
30. chatters
    
31. Wannabe (apologies) barrister (including crime / road traffic)
    
32. JimboJones (apologies) political campaigning, PR
    
33. Oliver Schick (LCC)
    
34. Tea_bee
    
35. jurivacanze1984
    
36. big in the game - safety engineer
    
37. Timmy
    
38. GA2G - security design (not so useful here though)
    
39. Seak - transport campaigner, media, direct action and 'non-heirarchical meetings facilitator' (e.g. Camp for Climate Action type wavy hands stuff)
    
40. Chats - Media trainee and cycleophile
    
41. Ode. Project Manager- Prince2
    
42. Sparky - Cycling journalist & has space on fourth plinth coming up
    
43. Emilia - copywriting and minor campaigning experience; cycle courier
    
44. Anna
    
45. Fred - agitator
    
46. Kipsy - cartographer (not much use here, can help with 'free' colour laser printing/large format plotting, any other grunt stuff.
    
47. Debra - cycle campaigner
    
48. Dasmiller - design
    
49. texas - transport planner
    
50. Coshgirl - copywriter - contacts inside city hall
    
51. redrider
    
52. BigFatAl - teacher, educational resources, possibly able to provide venue for meetings
    
53. Josephine - lecturer/illustrator, can draw stuff and knows lots of students
    
54. mr lunch - media sound.
    
55. Tom Lynch MBE- (for cycling of course)
    
56. bigbadad - TV Editor/Experience with lorries turning left.
    
57. East End Images - AV industry (access to the PAs, lighting, staging, power distros etc), photography, native speaker of a language used by many lorry drivers involved in collisions in the UK (Polish)
    

1. K-tee - construction industry and policy
   
2. Ufrasia - Media, Lobbying.
   
3. Greasy - Admin for Ghostbike.uk and CycleSafeLondon
   
4. Skully - AV post production
   
5. Pistanator
   
6. Libi - Media
   
7. CrazyJames - Photography, with contacts in web design/graphic design/branding etc available if needed.
   
8. Multigrooves - Cycletrainer
   
9. Damo
   
10. Georgieboy
    
11. Twist305 (apologies) - Citizens Advice Bureau head office
    
12. Digger-Cycle Instructor (apologies)
    
13. Velocio (apologies) LFGSS, CycleSafeLondon
    
14. Wicksie - graphic design, printing, anything to help, make the tea if need be.
    
15. tomiskinky - Graphic Designer
    
16. Chang - Graphic/motion/web/digital design i've got alot of mates that work in marketing/PR could get some media coverage.
    
17. CheBeef - Work at Law Firm (litigation)
    
18. havingamare - photographer
    
19. loftypavement - student
    
20. williamshatnerpants
    
21. Aroogah - IT Services Exec - commercial, strategic, legal
    
22. CHUG_IT (won't be there but..) Barristers of the highest level
    
23. LdnGrrl. - Lots of free time, will help in any way needed
    
24. nuknow - Graphic Design
    
25. Fox - (can't do Tues, could do Wed) marketing/campaigning/PR/lobbying experience
    
26. ftony (apol for mtg + not much free time but...) geographer (access to maps, journals, skilled in spatial analysis etc)
    
27. villa-ru - currently unemployed with plenty of free time and prior experience of herding cats
    
28. G_A_Z - Film Editor
    
29. Ade - Exhibition / Event/ set design and build (access to AV/lighting/sound equipment if required )
    
30. chatters
    
31. Wannabe (apologies) barrister (including crime / road traffic)
    
32. JimboJones (apologies) political campaigning, PR
    
33. Oliver Schick (LCC)
    
34. Tea_bee
    
35. jurivacanze1984
    
36. big in the game - safety engineer
    
37. Timmy
    
38. GA2G - security design (not so useful here though)
    
39. Seak - transport campaigner, media, direct action and 'non-heirarchical meetings facilitator' (e.g. Camp for Climate Action type wavy hands stuff)
    
40. Chats - Media trainee and cycleophile
    
41. Ode. Project Manager- Prince2
    
42. Sparky - Cycling journalist & has space on fourth plinth coming up
    
43. Emilia - copywriting and minor campaigning experience; cycle courier
    
44. Anna
    
45. Fred - agitator
    
46. Kipsy - cartographer (not much use here, can help with 'free' colour laser printing/large format plotting, any other grunt stuff.
    
47. Debra - cycle campaigner
    
48. Dasmiller - design
    
49. texas - transport planner
    
50. Coshgirl - copywriter - contacts inside city hall
    
51. redrider
    
52. BigFatAl - teacher, educational resources, possibly able to provide venue for meetings
    
53. Josephine - lecturer/illustrator, can draw stuff and knows lots of students
    
54. mr lunch - media sound.
    
55. Tom Lynch MBE- (for cycling of course)
    
56. bigbadad - TV Editor/Experience with lorries turning left.
    
57. East End Images - AV industry (access to the PAs, lighting, staging, power distros etc), photography, native speaker of a language used by many lorry drivers involved in collisions in the UK (Polish)
    
58. goodhead - IT Training Manager. - will help in any way possible.
    

But TV costs a fortune, yes it has most impact but therefore it's the most expensive medium going. The fact is Government is going to spend the big money on things which kill at least hundreds or more of people - like drinking driving, smoking etc. With cuts across the board coming up what are the chances of getting them to commit to additional spend on this?

It would be great to do something a bit like This video - their budget was £2k but it's gone round the world and has got their campaign loads of attention. I'm sure with all the skills forum folks have something this good could be produced. Not necessarily that shocking or showing an accident, but in my opinions TfL's video on the subject is far too safe, it needs something with more impact.

I live up north and commute to work by bike.
Thankfully road conditions here are not as bad as London.
I've been heart broken when reading about these tragedies on the forum.

It seems to me we need a national TV led campaign akin to the one that the government ran in the early 80s when compulsory seat belt wearing was introduced. These featured Jimmy Saville and the "Clunk click every trip" strapline. I remember these being shown ad nausaum at the time as a way of drumming the message home. I was reminded of them by a recent article on the BBC website.

I think it needs to be a national campaign, stuff thats happening in London now happens in the rest of the country sooner or later. Cycle use is on the increase up and down the country.