Charge Pluge vs Surly Steamroller

what size steamroller (and cross check )should I go for? i'm 172cm tall and around 80cm inseam.

56?

goto a shop and try them out ? it's really personal preference and sizing is only (imho) a rough guide!

when naked astride the bicycle, your balls should rest comfortably on the stem!

I know it aint so cool but the parts on a lemond filmore (gary fisher now??) are better than the surly for sure. The hubs on the surly are shit! The lemond comes with a decent KMC chain, and half decent FSA cranks. The new surly doesn't look as good as the old one imo.

Frameset's still bombproof though - get f&f + build up as you will.

when naked astride the bicycle, your balls should rest comfortably on the stem!

That depends, of course, on the ambient temperature and the the size of your balls...

It's a shame the surly has a worse spec this year.

Definitely lush though, as said, get a frame and fork then build from there... I went for a open pro on condor uno hubset, sugino messenger cranks, all those gubbins and mine's indestructible.

That depends, of course, on the ambient temperature and the the size of your balls...

not sure if you got it but it was a reference to an ebay bike.