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@lenk
I think you are missing the point dorr, we have already established that it is much better to just get a cheap OTP or 2nd bike to get going many post ago. What pajamas is implying is that it is possible to build up a nice bike for £300-£500. I have to disagree with him because I'm finding it difficult to build a decent bike with that budget. I keep seeing post on this forum saying that "with £500 you can build a sweet bike, very nice bike..etc." which I find difficult to archive and misleading. And we have also established with edmundro that you can build a cheap bike and be happy with it. Maybe you will be happier riding a £700 bike, but that is relative. To me a very sweet bike would be the cinelli build I saw at tour de ville going for almost £3-4k.