Bladed Spokes and H Plus Son Formation Face Rims

I'm in the process of getting a new rear wheel built and am wondering which spokes it's possible to use.

Hub is a White Industries ENO Eccentric 32 hole 130mm (frame has vertical dropouts, tried with the perfect gear ration but chain has stretched too much)

Rim is the H Plus Son Formation Face (the one with no braking surface)

So the question is...

I was looking at getting it built up with bladed spokes, mainly for the way it looks but being a little more aero can't be a bad thing...

Went to a decent London bike shop today to ask them about it and the mechanic said that bladed spokes (DT aero or something) are a not a good option with a deep v type rim, something to do with the strength of the wheel...

I'm inclined to trust his opinion but just wondered if anyone else knew anything about this or had any thoughts?

Cheers...

uhm.....what decent shop was it????
did he recommend an alternative to bladed spokes????

Your chain had stretched too far for the perfect ratio?

Bladed spokes not good with deep V rims?

What a load of nonsense

the shop was condor (they've always seemed good when I've been in before) and they recommended using standard DT spokes (can't remember exactly which ones)

when I said perfect ratio I just meant the right combination of chainring and cog so that you get a decent chain tension on a frame with vertical dropouts... It was good for a while but now the chain has stretched the chain tension is poor...

Is it more of a pain to build a wheel with bladed spokes or something?

Condor said bladed spokes and deep section rims don't work together. Someone should tell these folk...

As for chain tension, you're still not making sense, chains don't grow in length with wear, the rollers on the inside of the plates become worn and then don't properly fit the teeth of cogs/rings. It may have just slipped a couple of mm down in the dropouts.

Just buy a half-link chain and be done with it.

Are you serious?

Condor did not say that bladed spokes and deep section rims don't work together. They said that in the case of the hub and rim that I mentioned then for an everyday wheel it would not be a good option.

I'm not sure if you're just joking or you're trying to make out that Condor say lightweights don't work and don't know what they're talking about?

As for chain tension I think you'll find that I am making sense, use google and you'll find plenty of sources confirming that chains do indeed lengthen with wear.

Oh and I have a half link but that only gives you half an inch of adjustment...

chains to stretch with wear, or park have pulled off some seriously good marketing.

aero spokes make naff all difference aerodynamicly and are a lot more expensive and a bit more fiddly to build up (twist over the length of the spoke) so that for an everyday bike they're not really worth it. On top of that if it's a really deep V they might not have any short enough in stock and don't want to order a box

As for chain tension, you're still not making sense, chains don't grow in length with wear, the rollers on the inside of the plates become worn and then don't properly fit the teeth of cogs/rings. It may have just slipped a couple of mm down in the dropouts.

Just buy a half-link chain and be done with it.

chains do get longer with wear. the old skool way of checking chain wear is to measure 12 links if the chain has grown 1/16 in it's possible to use it with new chainrings/cassette 1/8 and it's fucked.

*"For normal maintenance (chain-suck not an issue), chains should be replaced at about +0.5% overall "stretch". This +0.5% = 1/16" = 1.5mm over 12 link-pairs.
By +1.0% stretch (1/8" or 3.0mm over 12 link-pairs), chains will have done significant damage to both the chain-rings and rear sprockets. Then when you install a new (or low-stretch) chain, it will inevitably skip over the worn teeth on the rear sprockets during high-load pedalling ; this is very disconcerting and its impact loading will do further damage and will do it quickly."*

Bladed spokes are fine for pretty much anything except a cheap wheel.... and chains don't stretch, the bearings and pins wear which means the effective pitch of the chain alters. That's what the tool measures.