Puerile sexist shite

i don't think mooks suggested that none of us are determined by our biology, that is crazy talk, it kind of refutes the existence of reproduction and traits being passed on.

what i think they meant is, if you took two, white, lesbian, one legged women, they would not be the same, and these things do not define who they are.

Spot on...

We are so diverse a society that to use a gender determiner to define who we are is an absolute waste of time. Yes there are biological markers, but in terms of social characteristics there is no one behaviour or character trait that can be attached to one of these groups.

Not all gay men are effeminate, not all women like kittens, not all scousers are criminals... And so it goes...

In the context of this thread - and the site as a whole - there is sexism, and lots of it at that, but it affects us all in different ways. Some, like myself and Fred, are acutely aware of it, others, like Plurabelle (I think?) aren't as much. This isn't an exclusively female domain, but as Tracey Emin said in the Guardian this week:

"I don't think about feminism - I have a strong voice and I'm quite feisty but there are a lot of women who aren't and they need to have laws protecting them and rights too."