In fact (though I expect no suitable answer), here's a question:
How does sexism affect men? And even more pointedly, How does sexism affect men on Lfgss?
If it doesn't appear to (I don't know, but maybe someone will tell me), then the title of this thread....."sexist"..... doesn't apply so much to men then. So if it might just apply to women, why is it that no women have tried to derail this thread?
There's been disagreement, but no derailment. I may be an "entrenched" kind of person, but I'm not blind.
Sexism is a consequence of gender stereotyping. Regardless of the fact that both men and women can have a wide range of personalities, they are often reduced to their mere gender in the expectations that people have of them, in the permissions they are given, in how they are judged, in dress that is considered acceptable for them, or the career options that are available to them, and so forth--all areas of life, really (with the obvious exception of those things that really are relevant to gender, such as the ability or not to bear and breastfeed children).
This sort of stereotyping arises out of an unwillingness to engage with the depth and diversity of character and personality. For instance, in a crude example, there will be both women and men who are unwilling, and women and men who are willing to stay at home to look after the kids instead of going to work. Understanding of personality requires more than skin-deep generalisations and is not easy to acquire. It is not in itself a guarantee against sexism, but a precondition of non-sexism. For instance, most people would not reduce their close friends, whom they know well, to a mere stereotype of their gender (unless there was major conflict between them). However, a casual acquaintance might well receive this treatment.
Gender stereotyping typically veers into sexism when the practical consequences of people's ambitions that do not make reference to gender become apparent to people who see others almost entirely in terms of their gender, e.g. when women demanded the vote. As gender stereotyping against women is very strongly based on their looks, women also often suffer sexist criticism of their looks.
I would think that there is quite a lot of sexism against men, too, but it operates in a slightly different way to sexism against women in that while women are supposed by sexists (male and female) to accept *sub*ordinate roles, men will typically be expected by sexists (male and female) to have *super*ordinate roles--e.g., a man who isn't very decisive or strong or an action-type leader may be considered to be less of a man, completely ignoring other qualities he may have, be stereotyped as a wimp, and perhaps enjoy life less as a result of this, analogously to a women who may be stereotyped as ugly/desperate/masculine.
While quantifying this is really impossible, there does seem to be more sexism against women than against men. It is certainly more obvious and tends to lead to worse consequences, such as rape of women by men, or violence against women by men who are physically (although usually not mentally) stronger.
Obviously, we're not envisaging anything so drastic on here, but I would think that some new female members may well disengage and move on if they find the forum atmosphere unwelcoming. While overtly sexist remarks may sometimes work as a joke among people who know and like each other, it is, after all, a fairly public forum.
Sexism is a consequence of gender stereotyping. Regardless of the fact that both men and women can have a wide range of personalities, they are often reduced to their mere gender in the expectations that people have of them, in the permissions they are given, in how they are judged, in dress that is considered acceptable for them, or the career options that are available to them, and so forth--all areas of life, really (with the obvious exception of those things that really are relevant to gender, such as the ability or not to bear and breastfeed children).
This sort of stereotyping arises out of an unwillingness to engage with the depth and diversity of character and personality. For instance, in a crude example, there will be both women and men who are unwilling, and women and men who are willing to stay at home to look after the kids instead of going to work. Understanding of personality requires more than skin-deep generalisations and is not easy to acquire. It is not in itself a guarantee against sexism, but a precondition of non-sexism. For instance, most people would not reduce their close friends, whom they know well, to a mere stereotype of their gender (unless there was major conflict between them). However, a casual acquaintance might well receive this treatment.
Gender stereotyping typically veers into sexism when the practical consequences of people's ambitions that do not make reference to gender become apparent to people who see others almost entirely in terms of their gender, e.g. when women demanded the vote. As gender stereotyping against women is very strongly based on their looks, women also often suffer sexist criticism of their looks.
I would think that there is quite a lot of sexism against men, too, but it operates in a slightly different way to sexism against women in that while women are supposed by sexists (male and female) to accept *sub*ordinate roles, men will typically be expected by sexists (male and female) to have *super*ordinate roles--e.g., a man who isn't very decisive or strong or an action-type leader may be considered to be less of a man, completely ignoring other qualities he may have, be stereotyped as a wimp, and perhaps enjoy life less as a result of this, analogously to a women who may be stereotyped as ugly/desperate/masculine.
While quantifying this is really impossible, there does seem to be more sexism against women than against men. It is certainly more obvious and tends to lead to worse consequences, such as rape of women by men, or violence against women by men who are physically (although usually not mentally) stronger.
Obviously, we're not envisaging anything so drastic on here, but I would think that some new female members may well disengage and move on if they find the forum atmosphere unwelcoming. While overtly sexist remarks may sometimes work as a joke among people who know and like each other, it is, after all, a fairly public forum.