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I'm cold :(

Put a jumper on

I'm warm now. Knitted hoodie.

It's fucking Latin.

That's what I implied. Quod erat demonstrandum.

How can you say that? Lucian Freud is brilliant.

Oliver, if Lucian Freud's work is not High Art, then it sure as hell can't be that muppet Damien Hirst and his pickled animals. I'm afraid we may have to disagree on this one.

Ha! As if I had anything much to say about Damien Hirst and his timewasting ilk. Lucian Freud is miles better--of course there isn't really a comparison on the same scale. He is skilled and puts genuine effort into every painting. But to me calling something 'high art' has to stand a comparison with the greats. Much of the work of Raphael or Bach is high art, for instance. Too lofty? Maybe. But that we don't have a painter, musician, or other kind of artist of that sort around nowadays is not a reason to elevate the low contemporary standard beyond what it really is, which isn't very remarkable at all.

what about Rolf?

Oliver, out of interest then, who would you say is the most recent artist to have created 'high art'?

Guillermo Vargas

Andres Serrano

skinny dogs and piss christ? there's a side to you you keep hidden Mr Balki.

Francis Bacon.

the fourth plinth is quite high isn't it?

Ha! As if I had anything much to say about Damien Hirst and his timewasting ilk. Lucian Freud is miles better--of course there isn't really a comparison on the same scale. He is skilled and puts genuine effort into every painting. But to me calling something 'high art' has to stand a comparison with the greats. Much of the work of Raphael or Bach is high art, for instance. Too lofty? Maybe. But that we don't have a painter, musician, or other kind of artist of that sort around nowadays is not a reason to elevate the low contemporary standard beyond what it really is, which isn't very remarkable at all.

This is a bizarre stance to take. The context is totally different now.

Oliver, out of interest then, who would you say is the most recent artist to have created 'high art'?

I don't know off the top of my head, as I have never thought about it in terms of 'most recent'. I also try to think of it more in terms of individual works as opposed to personalities. Occasionally, you get someone producing something superb who otherwise doesn't--JD Salinger or Orson Welles, perhaps, so that it's better to look at work directly as opposed to people. I also rate a lot of stuff very highly about which opinions are very divided--that's in the nature of the subject. FInally, I'm convinced that a lot of wonderful work is simply missed by the public, including myself--things that are never promoted properly and that sink without trace. So I can't really say what's most recent. I could rattle off a list of things that I rate, which includes quite a few things from the 20th century, so fairly recent.

But Oliver we will never again have high art like Raphael or Bach;so why try to make the comparsion?

For instance: Bach was devout Lutheran required to produce huge quantities of music for his various princes. Have we had any composers like that since 1800 ?
You are right he is high art, but we don't even experience his music any more in the way he intended it to be heard.

Ha! As if I had anything much to say about Damien Hirst and his timewasting ilk. Lucian Freud is miles better--of course there isn't really a comparison on the same scale. He is skilled and puts genuine effort into every painting. But to me calling something 'high art' has to stand a comparison with the greats. Much of the work of Raphael or Bach is high art, for instance. Too lofty? Maybe. But that we don't have a painter, musician, or other kind of artist of that sort around nowadays is not a reason to elevate the low contemporary standard beyond what it really is, which isn't very remarkable at all.

Bach was a minger so I don't think he can really be said to be 'great'.

But Oliver we will never again have high art like Raphael or Bach;so why try to make the comparsion?

For instance: Bach was devout Lutheran required to produce huge quantities of music for his various princes. Have we had any composers like that since 1800 ?
You are right he is high art, but we don't even experience his music any more in the way he intended it to be heard.

Nick Kershaw.

talk about Adele instead

Who?

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