Frame ID help and mashed BB advice / ID

Hi,

Just out of interest am trying to find out the make / model of a beaten up old frame. Not sure if details such as lugs can help ID? No serial number on BB or dropouts and no markings.

BB is standard 24tpi and headtube is standard 1". Came with a random collection of components and BB is made in Slovakia but probably not original.

At the same time wondering if anyone can offer advice on my chances of removing the mashed BB and type of tool I might need. Nearest I can see is http://www.evanscycles.com/products/park/8-notch-bb-tool-ec011574 but not sure if it is even 8 notch, or if it is, if the tool will even grab it in the state it's in. Not sure yet if it's seized in there but a a strong probability that it's well rusted / bound. Haven't wanted to mess with it yet for fear of making it worse and losing the few remaining notches.

Photos attached (as a reply --whoops)

Thanks for any help / advice.

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Sorry, can't help ID the frame but it looks like it would be worth putting some work into. Should be a good ride if you can restore it.

BB is an interesting problem. I don't think the tool you suggest would be the right one for the job.
Is the BB lockring Metal? I can't make out from the pics if it is metal or plastic.
If it is metal, you should be able to get some large Mole grips or stilsons on it to get it turning. Make sure you are turning it the right way! If it's plastic and a bit brittle you may be able to chisel the lockring out. I doubt that a plastic lockring would have been used on a 531 frame originally. The BB is probably not original.

Good luck

Thanks. It is a bit of a scraped and rusty frame, but looks better already from a wipe down and rust is only surface.

BB lockring is plastic. Looks like someone has already had a go at chiselling it. Worked out it's a 6 notch needing tool such as ... http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/BBT4-Park-Bottom-Bracket-Tool-Campag-Veloce-Mirage_W0QQitemZ350244809747QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_Spots_Leisure_Cycling_Tools_RepairKits?hash=item518c37ac13&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14

Going to see if I can borrow one as fairly sure I won't be needing it again for any BB I'll be putting on. Got a variety of other tools at the workshop I work at but unfortunately not this one.

Stilsons.

This is the best tool to use on that type bottom bracket.

But since there is already damage to the cups, and considerable rust, your task is more difficult.

I once had to melt one out with a torch.

you could get Rik to stare at it..

it'll probably disintegrate through sheer fear

Stilsons.

Thanks. May resort to that eventually. First thought was mole grips or in the vice but going to try and use what's left of the notches first.