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There isn't a left and right spring in cantis as far as i'm aware...every canti i've ever used has universal springs so it doesn't make any difference which way round you run them or on which brake...the spring will still exit on the inside edge.

You are right. I haven't seen them in years. But you are right. The springs are clearly universal. I have no idea what I was thinking.

Originally Posted by scott not scot
There isn't a left and right spring in cantis as far as i'm aware...every canti i've ever used has universal springs so it doesn't make any difference which way round you run them or on which brake...the spring will still exit on the inside edge.

i think it would work. its just a bit of metal that doesn't like being bent, it doesn't matter which way it gets bent.

id love to be able to afford one of those nicolai's...

i think it would work. its just a bit of metal that doesn't like being bent, it doesn't matter which way it gets bent.

And just how would it work?
With the holes on the inside of the stays like they should be and the canti spring tip in say, the top hole, the cantis would be pointing at approx 7 o'clock on the left one and 5 o'clock on the right one...you would then rotate them up to their proper position which would tension the spring.
On that setup if you were to rotate the cantis so the spring was in the holes on the outside you'd have the top of the left canti pointing towards 5 o'clock through the wheel, and the top of the right canti pointing at 7 o'clock through the wheel....if you then tried to rotate them back up to the correct position you'd find them stopping at approx 9 o'clock on the left and 3 o'clock on the right with both pads pointing upwards instead of towards the rim as canti springs aren't designed to be able to twist very far.

Look at this picture....that's with the spring mounted through a hole on the inside edge of the fork....now imagine rotating the brakes right the way around to the outside where he has the holes and think about where the pads would be pointing.

Also, the wider apart you space the canti studs, the worse the braking force gets, which is why snake stays were created...and as those studs are mounted on the outside edge of the stays instead of the usual inside it means less braking force...so again...if it's not a mistake, why would they be mounted back to front?

scott - is there a price/timescale for release on this frame yet? Couldn't find any details on brooklyns site. Want! (without element logos tho)

Still being tested i think...so probably a little while yet...haven't heard owt price wise, but i guess pretty much the same as a Gangsta.

Ta for the reply. Time to start saving methinks. Just found nuff info on the press release etc to digest. I don't even do tricks, something about that frame is just properly spot on.

well if it rides as well as the Gangsta it'll be a bloody good bike...and now nobody can whinge about the big gap in the forks. :)

And just how would it work?
With the holes on the inside of the stays like they should be and the canti spring tip in say, the top hole, the cantis would be pointing at approx 7 o'clock on the left one and 5 o'clock on the right one...you would then rotate them up to their proper position which would tension the spring.
On that setup if you were to rotate the cantis so the spring was in the holes on the outside you'd have the top of the left canti pointing towards 5 o'clock through the wheel, and the top of the right canti pointing at 7 o'clock through the wheel....if you then tried to rotate them back up to the correct position you'd find them stopping at approx 9 o'clock on the left and 3 o'clock on the right with both pads pointing upwards instead of towards the rim as canti springs aren't designed to be able to twist very far.

Look at this picture....that's with the spring mounted through a hole on the inside edge of the fork....now imagine rotating the brakes right the way around to the outside where he has the holes and think about where the pads would be pointing.

Also, the wider apart you space the canti studs, the worse the braking force gets, which is why snake stays were created...and as those studs are mounted on the outside edge of the stays instead of the usual inside it means less braking force...so again...if it's not a mistake, why would they be mounted back to front?

I reckon you should just phone/email him and ask what the hell he was doing putting them on the wrong way around before it starts to gets to you :-)

Takes more than some back to front brake mounts to get to me. :)

yes plz these bikes are phat

yes plz these bikes are phat

welcome!

Yes, the hipster cysts need to go, and for my taste it needs a proper saddle, some handlebar tape and sensible gearing to make it into a track racing bicycle.

Naaah. Been done already - where's the fun in that?

;-)

and to ride it on a track, not the road....there, i said it

am i the only one these days that rides track on the track and geared on the streets?

Have you tried your local nail bar?

hahaha, yeah - not sure if the ones round the city are njs certified though....

what surprises me (not really), is that this gallery is sponsored by super makuri, who are in the business of selling beautiful frames from japan... and then they come up with this.

yes - trawling through the various sites, seems the japanese are way out there in taste etc, but you know that's them, them i suppose the younger riders into bikes.... everything to the extreme for the younger generation there though.... no wonder some frame makers are just like "onry for professshinol" about who they build for

am i the only one these days that rides track on the road and geared on the streets?

...WTF?

I know a guy who rode to the end of a street and had to ride along a ROAD!

_<

typo

well if it rides as well as the Gangsta it'll be a bloody good bike...and now nobody can whinge about the big gap in the forks. :)

i still havent had a go on a gangsta, ridden a couple of raleigh tracks which i know its based on, nice and nippy. Is there much toe overlap on the gangsta? Looks like the element bike may well have a bit of overlap.
Been thinking about this frame all morning. want.

there's no toe overlap at all on the gangsta! the design of it is very well thought out, keeping the handling of the raleigh track bike yet managed to make it comfortable for everyday riding.

Althought I hasn't ridden a raleigh track bike, just the gangsta.

there's no toe overlap at all on the gangsta! the design of it is very well thought out, keeping the handling of the raleigh track bike yet managed to make it comfortable for everyday riding.

Althought I hasn't ridden a raleigh track bike, just the gangsta.

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well I didn't notice any toe overlap, unless the cage is a little smaller than usual.

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