Countersteering

"do a countersteer!"

ha!

OK, interesting, but exactly how is this more appropriate for a fixie? My conclusion from the above is that it helps people lay the bike over (and maybe cyclists have an innate fear of doing this), but this is not a good thing with a fixie (even if it is necessary).

...doing a freddie/full freddie, thats getting both ends going in the opposite direction to the turn...Rossi is a demon at it too.

About the LC, my boyfriend got a one after his shitty 250, and you know cos he was excited an all....twisted the fuck out of it when he left my mums house...never before have I ever come closer to falling from a motorcycle backwards than that day..other than at my own hand...it was just like that bit in the middle when you high side...just that oh my fucking god moment it's going ...buckaroo...am I going to stay on?

flailing like a bitch trying to grab his coat...grabrail...air...anyfuckingthing....=D...

Everyone countersteers, whether they realise it or not, when riding any, (normal), two wheeled vehicle above a few miles an hour. On motorbikes, when I was taught many years ago whilst wizzing around on my RD200, (laughs inserted here! :o) ), it means that instead of using your weight to one side to pull the bike into a turn, you can also pull the bar in the opposite direction and that leans the bike over for you. The net result is that you can go from one corner to the other quicker than using your weight alone if you are trying to get through that S-bend as quick as you can.

Knowing about CS, even though you do it naturally, means that in a situation that requires a immediate reaction and direction change, just pulling on the opposite bar to the direction you wish to go will be quicker than moving your body weight.

LC - I love the first incarntion of the LC. A couple of yours ago I bought a KR1S cheap, I lusted after one when I was 16/17. It was ridiculous. 29 mpg regardless of how you rode it (this is a 250 for those who don't know/care). A litre of expensive 2-stroke every 350 miles. But what a load of fun! One of the very few motorbikes that you can screw up an approach in a bend to, and correct it like nothing had happened.

Most pointless thread ever.

Most pointless thread ever.

quite the opposite actually, I never realise that I do that until I heard about countersteering.

it's nice to learn a bit about something.

quite the opposite actually, I never realise that I do that until I heard about countersteering.

it's nice to learn a bit about something.

+1. What some people already know, others won't.

Richard Ballantyne describes it as a 'haul turn' I think.
Bicycle Science (Whitt and someone else, MIT Press) also has interesting things to say about countersteering.
Unfortunately, I'm in the process of moving and can't find either book at the moment.

I believe most people do this unconsciously while turning. Where using it as a 'technique' shines for me is while riding straight and needing to make quick moves to avoid a pothole/grate/dog shit.

Richard Ballantyne describes it as a 'haul turn' I think.

he can also "dash" a dog's brains out by lifting it by the hind legs.

Richard Ballantyne doesn't ride bikes, they just cower beneath him in fear.

he can also "dash" a dog's brains out by lifting it by the hind legs.

Richard Ballantyne doesn't ride bikes, they just cower beneath him in fear.

I think I'm in the wrong thread :-0

Richard Ballantyne describes it as a 'haul turn' I think.
Bicycle Science (Whitt and someone else, MIT Press) also has interesting things to say about countersteering.
Unfortunately, I'm in the process of moving and can't find either book at the moment.

To kent?

LC - I love the first incarntion of the LC. A coupl of yours ago I bought a KR1S cheap, I lusted after one when I was 16/17. It was ridiculous. 29 mpg regardless of how you rode it (this is a 250 for those who don't know/care). A litre of expensive 2-stroke every 350 miles. But what a load of fun! One of the very few motorbikes that you can screw up an approach in a bend to, and correct it like nothing had happened.

Hey hey. I had a KR1s for a bit - brilliant fun. One of only 2 bikes I ever had that could tank slap hard enough to lift both wheels off the ground. (The other was my old TL1000S, which in many ways was sort of a grown up version.)

I love 2 strokes. Bought a CR500 motard last year, but ended up flogging it because it was SOOOOOOO impractical and a pig to start. That sucka must've done no more that 15mpg, I shit you not......

Countersteer is great. It helps set up a better line for a corner. One thing that really grinds my gear, is pedestrians walking out on the road to cross (on a corner) thinking "oh it' just a cyclist, they can just go round me no problem" unaware that they're removing the safe turning line by being in the way. So, i take the line as close as i can and try and bite their cheek. ung!

To kent?

Yes (sort of).

You have to do it whether you like it or not. You don't notice it most of the time. If, say, you are going left, turning right a very small amount is the only way to get the bike to "fall" to the left first so you can bank it. It's taught on advanced m/c courses.

Yes (sort of).

hmm... so it happened. Bet of luck with it all!