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appreciated its not going to take that much effort, but i still don't see the issue with asking to see if there is a complete bike within my budget available and i don't see why anyone takes issue with how much effort the bike took acquire - some kind of scene competition, one-upmanship at its pettiest? i know how to build a bike, i know how to maintain a bike and i certainly feel no pressure to prove this point to satisfy others.