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anyhoo ronnie is right i reckon... cragg vale is, however, well doable on a fixed and so you should do it (i doubt pan will come out to play, but maybe if i get those cranks off)...i know that a team ride it on tuesday evenings and i have arranged to meet them at 730 to race up it as a practise forr the actual race. they go up it every week at the same time so whenever we go we can do it...it might be fun/demoralising/shaming/ace...who knows...