• i'd say it's still something decent the lugs don't look too 'thick' and same for the seatpost wall thickness - also for some reason i've only ever seen the BB cut out on decent frames - also no mudguard loops at dropout - which for this year suggest not an ordinary cheapo , and seat stays look thininsh near rear- none of these things in and off themselves make a good frame but seem to be good cues to go by that suggest it's not crap - how old is it?
    60s/70s? if it was too young with pressed dropouts i'd have my doubts on the quality
    i've heard some people talk about flicking the frame to listen for the ping - i think it's a load of bollocks myself - if anything the better the less ping i've found but i don't think you can tell anything from that - any opinions anyone?

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